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Old 06-16-2013, 10:31 PM   #1
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Hey all. Quick question.

For fun yesterday I whipped up a Free Lilim as a starting PC. I was wondering if their nine Geas/3s counted as Discord and gave the matching number of points that any other DIscord would give. I figured it was about 27 points given total. Is that right?
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:02 AM   #2
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I'm not sure what the technical answer is, but I've never counted geasa as the kind of discord that could lead to falling/redeeming. It's visible, your friends may not like it, but it in of itself isn't a crack in what you are (unless you are a malakite with an oath about such things).
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Old 06-17-2013, 07:25 AM   #3
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Yeah, my understand is that a Lilim's Geases don't give any more points than a Malakim's Oaths would or a Mercurian's inability to use violence -- they're an integral part of the character rather than an individual disadvantage, albeit one that can be slowly (but almost never completely) worked off.
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Old 06-18-2013, 10:58 PM   #4
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Okay. Thanks. I wasn't sure.
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Old 06-20-2013, 05:42 AM   #5
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Free Lilim geases are the price for each force to create their existence. They don't get bonus Character Points for having such geases. It's their starting debt to just be alive.

True, a Geas is technically still an Ethereal Discord. However just like Calabim and their mandatory discord that never goes away and never gives them CP, Free Lilim similarly receive no CP for their creation geases.
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Old 06-20-2013, 08:29 AM   #6
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Free Lilim geases are the price for each force to create their existence. They don't get bonus Character Points for having such geases. It's their starting debt to just be alive.

True, a Geas is technically still an Ethereal Discord. However just like Calabim and their mandatory discord that never goes away and never gives them CP, Free Lilim similarly receive no CP for their creation geases.
I imagine Calabim are the source of confusion here. One FAQ said they don't get points for their discord; another (later) one said they do. See: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/faq...ns-calabim-004

EDIT: Note that that same FAQ says that a Free Lilim's geases are NOT worth character points, and that it's up to the GM whether any other Lilim's geases are worth anything.
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Old 06-20-2013, 04:38 PM   #7
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I imagine Calabim are the source of confusion here. One FAQ said they don't get points for their discord; another (later) one said they do. See: http://www.sjgames.com/in-nomine/faq...ns-calabim-004

EDIT: Note that that same FAQ says that a Free Lilim's geases are NOT worth character points, and that it's up to the GM whether any other Lilim's geases are worth anything.
That's the FAQ that Archangel Beth is using, so I'm willing to treat it as definitive...
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Old 06-23-2013, 09:46 AM   #8
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Owing geasa to local NPCs (for whatever reason) or people currently involved in the plot is an actual disadvantage that you might want to get points for. Owing geasa to Lilith, however (or generically, to any character not directly intervening) is largely character background. Character hooks, even, as you can justify being in a party if Lilith tugs or sells one of your geese.
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Old 06-23-2013, 12:08 PM   #9
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Owing geasa to local NPCs (for whatever reason) or people currently involved in the plot is an actual disadvantage that you might want to get points for. Owing geasa to Lilith, however (or generically, to any character not directly intervening) is largely character background. Character hooks, even, as you can justify being in a party if Lilith tugs or sells one of your geese.
Heck, one of the Brights in my campaign still owes a favor to Lilith, and I'm looking forward to calling that in one of these days ...
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