11-30-2016, 11:49 AM | #31 | |
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Re: GURPS Reprints - Magic, Thaumatology, and Ultra-Tech
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So with that said, I am here to tell you that it is 100% possible to automatically decompose a properly set up HTML table of arbitrary width into a "narration" style of format that would work perfectly well in e-readers aimed at novels. It's not the greatest way to read a table, but it works. It's also the recommended way to do enormously wide tables for braille, which you may think I'm joking about but I've had to deal with 20+ columns on combined cable/cellphone statements and stock reports :P As an example, I'm going to use the first few entries of the first Melee Weapon Table, the AXE/MACE table. There's a couple of different ways to approach this for print (rather than braille), but this is one example. It can all be implemented via stylesheets, or via a preprocessing pass after generating the epub.
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This format is also very friendly to text-to-speech, for blind customers, or just for hands-free reading. The awesome thing about living in the future is that document transformation is a hell of a lot easier than it used to be. EDIT NOTE: For a braille table, you would put the notes about melee weapons after the title "Melee Weapon Table" but before all the actual tables. And print them only once, but SJG does that part already for pagecount reasons. You put it first so you can learn the footnotes and have them mean something when you see them. IT's harder to flip back and forth in braille, and in e-readers - but in an e-reader you should be able to put a bookmark.
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11-30-2016, 12:12 PM | #32 |
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Re: GURPS Reprints - Magic, Thaumatology, and Ultra-Tech
Sorry Bruno that not a table, that's a stat block. Which takes of way more space than than a table so more expensive to print, and exaggerate that page reference problem. and yes I know epub is just a subset wrapper for HTML which is why I know how they behave.
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11-30-2016, 01:30 PM | #33 | ||
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No, it's a table. It's just not a presentation you're familiar with. There's a large number of table presentations you've never seen, because they're not for people who can see. I believe there's eight formal versions in the BANA standards books alone. Never mind the highly-biased-for-visual-readers versions of tables, called graphs (yes, they're a specialty format for numbers - doesn't change that they're a presentation of tabular data).
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The way this is handled is to have two page numbers - one counting physical pages, and one as part of the page header listing which page of the original manuscript this corresponds to. When you hit a page break in the original manuscript, you put a marker in the text advising which page you are turning to. Accessible formats for the blind: Solving a surprising number of new media problems decades before new media existed.
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11-30-2016, 01:56 PM | #34 |
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Discussion of file formatting does not help this thread. Please take the discussion to Facebook or somewhere else.
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11-30-2016, 03:02 PM | #35 |
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Re: GURPS Reprints - Magic, Thaumatology, and Ultra-Tech
Perhaps it is worth bearing in mind that it is not the first time that 4e books are reprinted in black-and-white: my copies of Fantasy (softcover, 3rd ed. 3rd printing) and Horror (hardcover, 4th ed. 1st printing) are both BW only. It helps with the price, and the result is very pretty nonetheless.
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11-30-2016, 03:07 PM | #36 | ||
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GURPS ebooks are always PDF. We are not currently even considering any other formats, as they all have significant drawbacks when it comes to displaying GURPS layout.
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11-30-2016, 03:16 PM | #37 | |
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11-30-2016, 04:58 PM | #38 |
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I just deleted a handful of posts. Please try to stay on topic. This thread is stickied so that it can act as a resource for those looking for more information about these reprints (and related things, like CreateSpace, printing decisions, etc.). We don't want it cluttered with joke posts, etc. No apologies needed; let's just minimize unrelated tangents. Thanks. </MOD>
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11-30-2016, 05:31 PM | #39 |
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Re: GURPS Reprints - Magic, Thaumatology, and Ultra-Tech
Just out of curiosity, why were these particular 3 books chosen as "test" subjects?
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12-01-2016, 08:33 AM | #40 | ||
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Re: GURPS Reprints - Magic, Thaumatology, and Ultra-Tech
I'm super-excited about the possibly of print-on-demand books for GURPS in future. Hard copies of GURPS books! Could there be anything better?
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I'm strongly tempted to buy Ultra-Tech via the POD service, just to support the whole POD GURPS initiative - I think it's really exciting. But since Ultra-Tech happens to be available on Amazon right now, that's obviously the better option on paper, for me, due to free shipping, etc. Now, if hard copies of other books were available via POD - books that we couldn't get hard copies of any more convenient way - then that would be a real test of the promise of POD for gurps. Again, I feel silly pointing this out, since it's so obvious, and I have full confidence in everyone at SJGames' ability to have thought all this through far, far more deeply than I have. But I thought I'd point it out anyway, just because I'm so eager for POD GURPS to succeed, and want to remove every possible obstacle in the way of that happening! Thanks
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