05-04-2016, 09:35 PM | #11 |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
So Hardened doesn't protect against Cosmic (Irresistible Attack)? I thought you only need the 50% Cosmic (Countermeasures and Defenses) against Cosmic Afflictions ignoring DR bonuses to HT rolls…
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05-04-2016, 09:46 PM | #12 |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
Cosmic (Irresistible Attack) does not mention Hardened, and specifies "ignores DR". "Ignores DR" is specifically a step on the levels of protection Hardened interacts with. Therefore, Hardened moves "Ignores DR" to 100->10->5->3->2->1 depending on how many levels you have. This applies to any advantage that specifies that it ignores DR and does not specifically say Hardened doesn't apply; 6 levels of Hardened means your DR works against absolutely anything.
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
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Since none of the Penetration Modifiers in the base book (nor any book that I know of) call out Hardened specifically, by your logic, any attack with Sense Based would be blocked by your DR (Hardened 6) and... that fails to make any sense whatsoever. Though the Character Book doesn't give rules for Ignores DR levels of Armour Divisor, so I can see where your interpretation comes from. I was sure I saw rules in some book, expanding Armour Divisor to (100) and Ignores DR, but I can't seem to find them now that I'm looking for em. |
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05-05-2016, 03:34 AM | #14 | |
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I thought all instances of the phrase "ignore DR" would be blocked by Hardened DR, though I understand your logic with regards to Sense-Based. The same logic applies to Blood Agent, Contact Agent and Respiratory Agent when applied to Area Effect or Cone, and these have their own counters (Doesn't Breathe and Sealed). But what of simple damage? Since Cosmic (Defenses and Countermeasures), specifically says that it defeats Cosmic attacks only, does it means that a Cosmic-enhanced DR won't protect against "mundane" ignore DR (and end up having to buy Hardened 6 ON TOP of Cosmic)? Seems a little redundant to me…
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Maledictions seem to work like mental attacks (making it a quick contest of Will similar to other forms of mental intrusion like Mind Control, Possession, Mind Reading, etc.) and they are said to be used to represent creating a Spell-like Effect with Advantages, and if you're attacking their mind directly, that would make them another type of Damage that Hardened DR wouldn't make sense to block (I could see allowing Mind Shield adding to the roll or substituting the will roll for Mind Block, but I can't find any RAW support for that). And Cosmic (Irresistible Attack) is usually reserved for God-like entities, of course you're going to need something equally god-like to defend against them. Quote:
The way I see it we're working with different scales. Each Penetration Modifier is bound by it's own limits and specific counters, with the only exception I can see being Malediction, which is again, why I apply Mind Shield and similar counters to it. |
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05-05-2016, 05:27 AM | #16 | |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
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05-05-2016, 05:35 AM | #17 |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
Thank you, I wasn't aware that Powers actually brought that up. Though I'm personally torn at the result. It's much more affordable this way and better handled, but I'm not so fond of the idea that something non-cosmic can counter a cosmic. I guess in my games I'll just have to start charging +350% for Cosmic, and just add in two more levels of Armour Divisor for (100) and (Ignores DR).
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05-05-2016, 06:37 AM | #18 |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
Sorcery says specifically that Magic Resistance help against spells which allow a Resistance Roll, which includes certain spells that are built with Malediction. So Magic Resistance helps against magic Maledictions at least. Presumably Static (Magic) also helps against magic Maledictions, and Psionic Resistance and Mind Shield helps against Maledictions with the psionic modifier, etc.
DR helping against Malediction? I'd eyeball it at +100%. That gives an extra cost of 5 points/level which works well with Improved Magic Resistance.
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05-05-2016, 11:50 AM | #19 |
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05-05-2016, 02:22 PM | #20 |
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Re: Malediction vs. Resistant
Where can I find this good cigar? (ancient Swedish joke)
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