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In OTL he was willing to detonate an Plutonium atomic bomb in OTL near Semipalatinsk, Kazakhstani (USSR) which surprisingly is not in Siberia but in Turan. Siberia would ahve been remote enough that Stalin would have risked it as he controled who could get near the place and therefore near the thing. Also what spells were know in 1949? Also remember the USSR had a psychic program invovled in remote viewing at least back into the 1950's (as well as Stalin's supposed test of Wolf Messing which if real creates all kind of problems for Stalin not want to use magic.) Quote:
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Similarlly just because the US transcontinental railroad (Transportation TL6) was finished 1869 doesn mean suddenly all the other TLs jumped to 6; heck antibiotics (Medicine TL6) were not even discovered until 1929 and it was not until WWII that they could be made at a reasonable scale. Conversely if Pasteur had just been a little more lucky (Pasteur's Legacy) the antibiotics revolution could have been kicked off in 1877. |
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In general, distinctive new technologies that show up in the 1940s are not part of TL6. There's absolutely no reason to think that nuclear power could have shown up earlier than that; the needed science wasn't there. Quote:
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And Merlin is the real world? |
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Whoops. Gotcha.
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01-28-2005, 03:57 PM | #17 |
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As I understand it, Tech Levels have more to do with practical use of technology than with theoretical knowledge. So, yes, we knew about nuclear energy in late TL 6, but the actual use of nuclear energy is solidly TL 7.
On the other hand, I don't think that the instant of the detonation of the first atomic bomb marked a total, worldwide transition to TL 7, it just marked the transition of nuclear energy (in the U.S., at least) and certain branches of physics.
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01-28-2005, 05:20 PM | #18 | |
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Yes, Joe Shmo was using TL6 stuff probably well into 50s. But I'd rather call the fancy new refridgerator GE was designing in 1945 TL7 rather than debate what TL every home appliance is. (On the pedantic note, it's not the first detonation, it's the first self-sustaining nuclear reaction; 1940, not 1945. Of course that's probably also rounding issues, since it's really arbitrary.) |
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So the Gadget, Little Boy, and Fat Man were more on the order of TL(6+1) than true TL7 ie a TL7 invention made with TL6 understanding. The previously mentioned movie Atomic Cafe is made up of clips and promotions of the 1950s and shows the total lack of understanding we had of atomic energy in general and atom bomb in particular. The scene where the army chaplin is saying "it (the bomb going off) is a beutiful thing to behold" while the army is marching is troops through fallout is case in point. Then you have Bert the Turtle and his advice 'When you see the flash - duck and cover' which was lampooned decades later in Bloom County as 'When you see the flash bend over and kiss your butt goodbye'. A&E's The Future that Never Happened showed an army training from c1950 where they are talking about using tactical nuclear weapons as if they were just a bigger artilery round. The fact of the matter is the first years of the atomic age were more TL(6+1) than 'true' TL7. |
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A TL(6+1) nuke would be a chemical bomb launched from a Zepplin or a huge Paris gun. A TL (6+1) computer would be a mechano-electronic form of the Difference Engine, not an early vacuum tube computer. |
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