07-16-2016, 05:24 AM | #121 | |
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One question did you cut into the edge of the corrugated iron and work you way along the cut, or did you swing into the 'flat' plane of the metal? But yes to answer your question I'm guessing the hook will help stop the edge escaping your swing under the force of the blow. (and the hook point will also help any piecing action). |
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07-16-2016, 05:41 AM | #122 |
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Both, But I found it easier/tidier to start the cut in the 'flat' of the metal as hitting the edge of the sheet was more likely to make it crumple but remain intact.
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07-16-2016, 05:52 AM | #123 | |
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I mean I know you said it was corrugated iron so I know we're not talking about full strength or hardened steel or anything, but I'd be interested if you can remember Cheers TD |
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07-16-2016, 06:09 AM | #124 |
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The heaviest I would have cut was also the oldest, according to a renovation website the standard gauge for that was between 2 and 3 millimeters, although that was mainly rust.
Most of it would have been thinner at .45mm or .609mm, 26 and 24 gauge, 0.018" and 0.024".
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07-16-2016, 06:33 AM | #125 | |
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TD Last edited by Tomsdad; 07-17-2016 at 02:38 AM. |
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07-16-2016, 07:09 AM | #126 | ||
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But saying "torso armour was invulnerable to these weapons" is really broad and sweeping, and certainly not a consensus view. "Never in military history have armies been so well (and so effectively) armored. The catalogue of wounds above shows how protective armor was in the Middle Ages; wounds to the limbs and head were most common but could be survived, while those to the head were, of course, the fatal ones. Only those killed in what are clearly recorded as massacres of unarmored individuals, as at Corinth, or possibly massacres, as at Ridgeway Hill show wounds to the torso. Experiments carried out by the Royal Armouries in England and elsewhere have confirmed how difficult it was to penetrate a moving target covered by mail or plate armor" then they go on and say "men were swinging, thrusting, or shooting sharp-edged, blunt-edged or projectile weapons at each other, wounding their opponents while, simultaneously, hoping their own skills and armor might keep them from being wounded themselves." I'm not claiming armor was not protective. It's very purpose was to stop wounds. I am very dubious of the idea, as should any scholar be, of armor which was described as "invulnerable." |
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07-16-2016, 07:14 AM | #127 |
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That's just a subjective determination which masks a confirmation bias. Given your own record of blatant overstatement of facts and misuse of sources, you hardly have any room to criticize others. And yet again, I see how the "acceptable" evidence has drifted even further. We now must rely solely on original language sources from eyewitnesses. This is rich, indeed.
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07-16-2016, 07:49 AM | #128 | |
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Edit: some lesser known primary sources are in this thread. http://myarmoury.com/talk/viewtopic....er=asc&start=0
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07-16-2016, 09:21 AM | #129 |
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Primary sources are great, assuming you can translate them yourself. Even if you can you will deal with multiple approaches to translation of those texts. Textual criticism is a robust field. And this assumes you have access to the actual document, and not a copy which can include errors. But that isn't what's being done here. What's being done is excluding whole categories of historical work for the purposes of concealing a poorly designed historiographical argument predicated on cherry picking evidence. It's a disturbing pattern, Dan, and you should know better by now.
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07-17-2016, 02:42 AM | #130 | |
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Sorry I originally had this as an edit of yesterday's post, but I have a bad habit of going back and adding stuff to older posts, and this is really the meaningful bit in terms of what we were discussing. So I thought it best to actually do a new post rather than add it on to something written yesterday! *which is being possibly generous of course. **its 1.26 and 1.68 respectively Last edited by Tomsdad; 07-17-2016 at 07:07 AM. |
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