01-10-2018, 02:34 AM | #1 |
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[TG] A grapple is mutual?
TG p5, left column, heading "Control Points" says Grappling is mutual.
So if A grapples B, then B can perform any maneuvre or technique requiring a grapple to initate? I know B suffers penalties for A's CP, but still...A grapples B, B responds with a Judo Throw. Bam! So the skilled grappler need not initiate the fight, he can bait the less skilled opponent into doing some of the work. Sounds reasonable. Also: Wow, I really want to use grappling. I mean I already do, our Cliffhangers see more fisticuffs than gunplay, but awesome factor just increased.
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01-10-2018, 03:06 AM | #2 | |
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But yep TG is great I definitely recommend it! |
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01-10-2018, 03:22 AM | #3 | |
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If A is the lesser skilled (and/or weaker) of the two and makes a CP 0 grapple, he is in for a beating. B has no Active Control penalty, and A has no CP to make the Throw QC harder. So maybe "Don't grapple unless you mean it"?
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01-10-2018, 03:26 AM | #4 | |
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or don't grapple unless you have plan (of course A wasn't given a choice here)! |
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01-10-2018, 03:39 AM | #5 | |
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This is actually the main gripe one of my more vocal players has with the (old) grappling rules. When a goon grapples him he is either screwed because of the -4 DX penalty and the pain likely to follow in the nest rounds. Or he Breaks free and is grapples again, with both parties wasting their time. I need to convice him that TG fixes that!
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01-10-2018, 03:57 AM | #6 | |
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Of course TG also allows you to concentrate your efforts on breaking free as well as improving your CP by making an active grapple attack, or trying some other move, if you choose! |
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01-10-2018, 08:32 AM | #7 | |
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In any case, let's start at the end before I have to nip off to work. 1) Grappling is not meant to be fast under realistic "two folks fighting each other and aware of it" circumstances. So "grapple, break free, more grapple, more break free" is an accurate, though not terribly fun, representation of what - in the abstract - most wrestling matches actually look like. For cinematically awesome grapplers, Technical Grappling, through the medium of the measure of a grapple's quality in control points, allows for huge stuff faster. 2) The reason for "grapples are mutual" is quite simple: they are. If you grab my wrist, I can manipulate your arm until you let go. Many self defense techniques are initiated using exactly this principle. But if you grab me for the standard -4 to DX from a regular grapple, in TG it's because you've grappled me for 8 CP, and I'm also -4 to ST. So not only am I much less coordinated using the grappled body part(s), I'm less effective (-2 to damage from -4 to ST). Even so, if I'm a great grappler, and outstrip my foe in might and skill, I can still attack to break free or just attack, or, since grapples are mutual, try and attack to apply a joint lock directly (which can be done at full skill, even assuming you've not bought it up). so in TG, if someone grapples you, you can grapple back, and *freely allocate* rolled control points to breaking his grapple or grappling him yourself. You'll be at a bit of a disadvantage due to his control points on you, but if grappling is your forte, you're likely to have taken advantage of ST, Trained ST, Lifting ST, and skill.
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01-12-2018, 12:30 AM | #8 | |
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Thanks
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01-12-2018, 12:39 AM | #9 |
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Re: [TG] A grapple is mutual?
Wait what? Citation please?
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01-12-2018, 01:55 AM | #10 |
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Re: [TG] A grapple is mutual?
I think DouglasCole is referring to you can make an grapple attack to improve your 0CP grapple (which you have because you have been grappled) and any CP you gain can than be used after in the normal way. Of course your efforts at grappling back is subject to any control penalties you are currently suffering from
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