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[Social Engineering] Can you use "Cutting Out" with Empathy?
Can you use "Cutting Out" with Empathy when judging approachability? What if your Empathy is skill based?
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11-01-2011, 01:29 PM | #2 | |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Can you use "Cutting Out" with Empathy?
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11-01-2011, 01:38 PM | #3 |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Can you use "Cutting Out" with Empathy?
Some variants of Empathy require you to use a skill, rather than just roll against IQ. For example, the variant in Psionic Powers.
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11-01-2011, 01:40 PM | #4 | ||
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Switching from an attribute roll to a hard skill roll is a 0% enhancement. See "Skills for Everyone" in Powers.
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Empathy (Based on Per +20%; Skill-Based +0%) [18] + Empathy (Per/Hard) Default Per-6 I'm not sure why it would need to be based on Per since empathy uses IQ when judging approachability. |
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11-01-2011, 02:07 PM | #5 | |
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On the other hand—since when is Empathy a skill? My understanding is that you need to pick out one of the existing skills; so, for example, you might roll vs. Per-based Sex Appeal or Per-based Merchant. Bill Stoddard |
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11-01-2011, 02:15 PM | #6 | |
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Re: [Social Engineering] Can you use "Cutting Out" with Empathy?
I alread told you, "Skills for Everyone" in Powers [p. 162]. I even gave you an Example from the book:
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11-01-2011, 02:24 PM | #7 | |
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The other thing I would say, though, is that Social Engineering is explicitly about things that people do with social skills. It's not mainly intended to discuss powers. I made an exception for Empathy, in quite a few places, because Empathy (a) is often a simple advantage rather than a power, (b) even as a power, is used mainly to boost social interaction, and (c) is a suitable model for what can be done with Body Language under the right conditions. Going into the domain of defining an actual psionic power with a list of modifiers is really getting out of the territory of Social Engineering. The option of an influence power is noted briefly on p. 18, and Empathy is listed as a suitable advantage there. If someone writes a book on social superpowers, the kind of thing you're describing would make sense to put in there. In the meantime, I'll stand by saying that it's not part of the RAW in Social Engineering, but that I don't see any harm in your houseruling to include it. Bill Stoddard |
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11-01-2011, 02:32 PM | #8 | |
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I didn't define it as either psionic or a power. |
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11-01-2011, 02:41 PM | #9 | |
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All of these options are available on a power-by-power basis. They are never intended to be applied to wild advantages. So if you're discussing Empathy with a power skill (via Skills for Everyone), then you're talking about turning it into part of a power. If Empathy isn't part of a power, then it's activated with a simple IQ roll. And that's what Bill's talking about.
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