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12-10-2014, 10:24 PM | #12 |
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Charlie Stross recently reported on a tropical resort in Germany that should give you some ideas for a city in a bottle. I'll also echo the observations that if you're in a tight ecosystem there will be strict rules on individual behavior. Not necessarily a dictatorship - you could easily have a democracy. But you can't let people do their own thing if that will imperil society as a whole.
For low tech versions, I'd study isolated island cultures. Which I don't really know much about so I can't help you much there. Note if you have a small population without advanced genetic technology, you might have a lot of strict mating taboos and mandates to insure genetic diversity and health and/or oddball genetic conditions becoming common. |
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Such a society would probably be regulated by tradition and culture, it would internalized expectations and restraints that most people, most of the time, would not even give much thought to. It could be almost any sort of government, but the policies would have to be what they have to be no matter what the form of the state. The population issue, assuming human beings using traditional means of reproduction, is going to be almost impossible to evade or dodge. In our hypothetical 10,000 member group, for ex, you can't let the population grow much, but you also can't afford for it to shrink much, even temporarily, because that implies loss of genetic diversity and loss of learned knowledge and skills, too. So almost all the women are going to have to have those 2 kids, and only those 2 kids, for the society to keep going over time. A handful might have more than 2, and a handful fewer, for whatever reasons, but that average cannot move much above or below 2.1 for more than a generation or two without Big Trouble. Note the above comment about skills, too. A closed society is going to have to make sure that it uses its human capital effectively, and that necessarily skills are maintained and passed down. It's going to need innovation, probably, but avoiding loss will be more important overall than adding new. So it's likely in a 10,000 person society that education starts early, and I don't mean preschool glorified babysitters. Kids would have to start learning practical skills early, and would probably be expected to be taking at least some part in the actual work force by their mid-teens at the latest. Education would likely continue on past that point, of course, in a high-tech enclave, but it would be working education. That combined with the necessity of everybody reproducing might or might not mean that the first child would be typically born to teenage parents. I could see arguments either way about the survival cost/benefit ratio on that. I do suspect that marriages would be likely in place by the end of the teens more often than not, though. Time would be a valuable resource in this society. |
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I believe that much will depend on the temporal horizon, too. If we are in one of a hundred generational spaceships, and once we reach the new planet in 100 solar years or so our grandsons will find the granddaughters of the other spaceships, then maybe for the time of our generation and our children's generation we won't care all that much about genetic problems. On the contrary, if we are all that's left of our species and the spaceship is going nowhere fast, then the concerns described by Johnny1A.2 will be high in our list of priorities. |
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12-11-2014, 03:02 AM | #16 |
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I don't know if "a lot" of taboos would be needed. If the population is 10,000, you might have 5 2,000-person tribes or 10 1,000-person ones, and you can marry any woman you want provided she's not from your tribe. It's exogamy.
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12-11-2014, 04:17 AM | #18 |
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Again, that actually assumes something close to our ideas of love, marriage, sex and reproduction. Those things can go hand in hand, or they can be largely independent of each other.
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Pitcairn Island, uninhabited before being settled by the survivors of the Bounty mutineers, had developed fairly severe inbreeding by the time it was rediscovered by the British. I am not convinced that any natural population (vs., say, the complement of a generation ship) would realize the necessity of genetic controls or implement them successfully without severe, dictatorial intervention for several generations. The problem is too remote and too abstract to provide an emotionally satisfactory justification for the hardships required. In a setting before 1980 or so, or too small to have a college faculty, it is unlikely that anyone would have the tools to even recognize the problem a priori, much less propose and impose the necessary solutions. |
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