09-06-2014, 08:19 AM | #31 | |
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I agree with you that the idea that the value of labor is too low to live on doesn't fit the book as I remember it. One problem with figuring out details like this for the book is that we really don't see many people who aren't upper class. The control natural bartender is the only one I recall. |
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His example implies that the wages was small and you could live on your dividend, not that the dividend was small and you could live on your wages.
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09-06-2014, 10:40 AM | #33 | |
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09-06-2014, 11:06 AM | #34 | |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-scarcity_economy However, once again I must emphasize, that it doesn't matter for the purpose of this subject whether a science fiction story is set in a post-scarcity setting if that story is not in fact a space opera. |
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09-06-2014, 02:22 PM | #35 | |
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POSTSCRIPT It's by no means guaranteed that an arbitrary concatenation of technical terms — or any terms — will yield a useful meaning. "Monomorphic hemispherectomy" is a meaningless phrase, but I wouldn't consider that a knock-down rebuttal of the brain surgeon who told me so.
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09-06-2014, 02:28 PM | #36 |
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It also probably doesn't matter if that story was written before 1977 or thereabouts, if you want a new space opera.
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09-06-2014, 02:59 PM | #38 | |
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I'd hope that could probably also discuss it with page references to GURPS Space or Ultra-Tech, or take it back to the other thread (if it is just going to be about genre definition), but I think this is just me. |
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09-06-2014, 06:15 PM | #39 |
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Then lets just say that your definition of post-scarcity is so different from mine that I do not believe we can usefully discuss the matter. Your repeated point about the low value of unskilled human labor is particularly mysterious to me. I can't see how it would even matter.
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