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With no Constantine Council of Nicea, or Universal Church it is safe to say Christianity would be effectively Balkanized to the point Fabian II might as well be herding cats. I would like to point out that the claims of "anti-Christian laws" have irregularities that bring into question if they were actually "anti-Christian" or "Christians" just go caught up in a poorly thought out decree. Take Decius for example. Non Christian Jews would have died under his decree (in fact before the edict they were one of the few groups allowed to not have to make sacrifices to the Emperor or revere him as a living "god") Also Christians who regarded Jesus as simply a man (documented in the 2nd century Against Heresies) would have had no problem making sacrifices to Decius and would not have been effected by his Edict. Then there is the Chrestians/Christians problem. There is evidence of a pagan cult going back to at least the 1st century BCE and perhaps as far back as 5th century BCE called "Chrestian" which was also taken up by some followers of Jesus some time after 44 CE. So you have some followers of Jesus calling themselves "Chrestian" and a pagan cult that worshiped Serapis (Chrestus) that also called itself "Chrestian". So which is actually being talked about in how the Empire treated Jesus based Chrestianity and which is propaganda using the name confusion? Last edited by maximara; 08-30-2018 at 05:37 PM. |
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In fact, when looked at from a gentile POV Chrestus makes a lot more sense then Christus as the related terms better fit the view of Jesus: chraomai: consulting an oracle chresterion: "the seat of an oracle" and "an offering to, or for, the oracle." Chrestes: one who expounds or explains oracles, "a prophet, a soothsayer" chresterios (χρηστήριος): one who belongs to, or is in the service of, an oracle, a god, or a "Master" theochrestos: "God-declared," or one who is declared by god. More over the Chrestus/Serapis cult in Alexandria had "bishops" so things were not as clear cut as people think. There may have been other groups that called themselves Chrestians; we simply don't know. Last edited by maximara; 08-31-2018 at 10:08 PM. |
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One of the main reasons Constantine called for the Council of Nicaea was to deal with the issues described in Early Christian Schisms - II: The Woes of Constantine - Extra History. If that wasn't "fun" enough then there is Early Christian Schisms - III: The Council of Nicaea - Extra History which shows one of the major issues in the Church. Then there is Early Christian Schisms - IV: Ephesus, the Robber Council, and Chalcedon - Extra History which just before the Western Empire ended. Finally there is the one thing bigger then all of this: the multitude of clearly different humanoid races. Many parts of the Old Testament have to account for these other races. Where did they came from? Are they (as some thought was true of Blacks) children of Cain? What of the Flood; were there two of every race on the Arc or can they all claim kinship with Noah's family? Would the resulting Old Testament even be recognizable to someone of our world? It is an even bigger issue then what happened with Christianity on Yrth and I doubt that it would be recognizable (explaining its unity is an even bigger problem then that of Yrth). Yrth had to adapt an already existing set of holy writings to a clearly different world; the Christianity of Fantasy Earth has no such advantage. The pagan religions actually would have a better time of it as each race could have its own origin myth which could be combined into a large pantheon. The D&D orcs have something like this for their origin myth (though it was 'you try to deprive my people of a place to live? Well I will have them live in places no one else would want and when they grow strong they will destroy your races!') Last edited by maximara; 09-07-2018 at 06:35 AM. |
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Worshipers of Gruumsh cut out one of their own eyes to be more like him and that is not the only thing Warcraft kind of raided from D&D. :-) Last edited by maximara; 09-07-2018 at 08:34 PM. |
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To clarify for those who are wondering: My Orcs are not just dumb brutes. Sure, they are on average less intelligent than humans, and are not culturally driven toward intellectual pursuits, but that's not the same as disdaining leaders that have cunning, or having no respectable place in their culture for someone with higher IQ than ST or DX. They have a stereotype among humans of being dumb brutes, but they respect any clear survival advantage, and 'being jolly clever' is an advantage.
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I did a slight tweek on Infoworld's original divergence on the GURPSwiki:
1994; Doctor Paul Van Zandt doesn't invent parachronics. There may be previous divergences but they are unknown Paul Van Zandt could have still been born but didn't go down the path he did in Homeline. Edit: On a side note, just how powerful are the abilities and thoughforms the spirits can create? There are things in anime/manga that are insane even by Western 4 color comic standards. * Effectively the entire cast of Dragonball Z. * Lina Inverse and company; Who needs Little Boy/Fat Man when you have Dragon Slave? In the anime it sometimes works like a reverse neutron bomb ie destroys the buildings but not the people. (Several people have been at ground zero of a full power Dragon Slave and survived...the same cannot be said of the town they were in) * The Sailor Scouts and their enemies. You have that Cthulhuian Pharaoh 90, Witches 5 servants and Mistress 9 summoner as well as the Doom Phantom. Queen Beryl and her life draining Youma (anime version) and generals (manga and anime versions) who live in what is effectively a pocket reality (The Dark Kingdom) Then you have Chaos who in one version is the actual power behind all the other groups. That is without all the magic/super science tech that have; Time Space Door (poor man's Guardian of Forever); Mercury's computer (it is advanced even by 2018 standards); and means to make all the planets, Pluto, and Earth's Moon inhabitable are the three biggies. * The technology like Steel Angel Kurumi (which might give you some ideas regarding DpEarth Earth tech as the first series was set in the 1920s and while the Angels are from a possible future they inspired some 1920s mecha; it looks like a cross between an officer and sentinel) and that seen in the Macros/Robotech series. In fact technology is going to have the biggest issue as there is so much popular stuff both imported and native for the spirits to try to make real. Last edited by maximara; 09-09-2018 at 01:08 PM. |
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The most powerful psis that the average person on Earth-1 or Earth-2 is likely to meet in their lifetime have around 300 to 400 points of psi abilities, and 100 to 200 points of mundane abilities. That's not counting aliens and such. Incidentally, I was thinking that if Paul Van Zandt does not exist in Real Life, he also doesn't exist on Earth-1, but I also think I included a counterpart of his with a slightly different name (Paul Vincent? Peter Vincent?) in the timeline. Next post will be an article.
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Space-warp based sub-light drives
Ęther Screw: This design, externally resembling an elongated cone with a number of flanges extending from it (spinning when in use), scales up better than it scales down, and is 'noisy' or 'bright' to sensors capable of perceiving space-warps. Ęther Screws have a lower pseudoacceleration (change in pseudovelocity, including manoeuverability) and lower maximum pseudovelocity than Ether Propellers of comparable size. Developed on Steampunk Earth. Ether Propeller: These machines scale down better than they scale up, and are 'louder' than the Ęther Screw. The 'working' section of the device resembles a disc or ring, spinning rapidly around its central axis, and like the Ęther Screw is mounted perpendicular to the direction of flight. They have a higher pseudoacceleration and maximum pseudovelocity than Ęther Screws, but are not as good for long journeys, due to energy consumption, stress, and maintenance needs. Developed on Dieselpunk Earth. Warp Coil (& similar constructions): A spacetime warping device that scales up nearly as well as an Ęther Screw, and down nearly as well as an Ether Propeller. The coils tend to be ring-shaped, and are most often lined up in cylindrical nacelles, though smaller numbers of large warp-coils may be used, mounted in ring-shaped nacelles concentric to the hull. Mass for mass and volume for volume, warp coils tend to have a higher pseudoacceleration and maximum pseudovelocity than Ether Propellers, while being better for long journeys than the Ęther Screw. Manufacture of this design requires a higher technology base (in particular, faster computers), and the world of the mind that comes with it, than the other space-warping technurgy on this list. Much less 'noisy' than Ęther Screws and Ether Propellers, while clearly 'louder' than aethere paddles, and much louder than aethere sails. Developed on Infopunk Earth. Aethere Sail: Wide, flexible sheets of alchemically-treated material with no moving parts, beyond the need for the sail to be turned or furled/unfurled to control the pseudovelocity and pseudoacceleration. They tap into the solar wind and large gravity wells, which also supply power. 'Quieter' than any other space-warp method, but entirely depended on external sources. Developed on Clockpunk Earth, but very popular with Fantasy/Dungeonpunk Earth. Aethere Paddle: Long, enchanted staves that require fairly little energy, but are quite slow compared to the other methods on this list, and require constantly repeated efforts of will from multiple oarsmen, though they do not require physical motion. Useful to help steer vessels equipped with aethere sails, and to maneuver them in becalmed conditions. 'Louder' than aethere sails, but 'quieter' than the other methods. Developed on Fantasy Earth as they transition into Dungeonpunk Earth.
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