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Re: Skill to Plan and Execute a Coup
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01-10-2018, 10:05 AM | #12 |
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Re: Skill to Plan and Execute a Coup
I suppose I was asking for the skill of timing the actual captures without alerting any of the targets. We're playing out the other parts of the coup. Right now this thread has me thinking that administration is the correct skill.
Multiple rolls that all matter and have consequences if they fail does sound like the best way to do things. So I'm hearing: A roll to identify your targets. (Intelligence Analysis, Current Affairs) A roll to collect your team without traitors. (Leadership, Psychology, and possibly politics) A roll to synchronize your actions (Administration, Strategy) A roll to convince your targets to give up (Intimidation, Tactics, could devolve into combat) A roll in the morning to convince the populace you're legitimate (Politics, Propaganda, possibly Law) Most of the rolls suggested were made in the "complementary rolls" part of the roll, except for the critically failed psychology roll. Of course, they have one key conspirator they've missed and who is on the inside, so I'm counting him as that result.
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01-10-2018, 10:10 AM | #13 | |
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In any event, Napoleon was clearly defending the Convention against a counter-revolution on 13 Vendémiaire. It's true that he didn't arrest anyone, but that is because others had that responsibility.
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01-10-2018, 10:40 AM | #15 | |
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01-10-2018, 10:56 AM | #16 | |
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Fear, or foolishness, impel him, ere he lay the wicked low, To concede some form of trial even to his fiercest foe. . . . If the legal system is working, then Law substitutes for Propaganda in producing that conviction. Or it doesn't, and then you have trial by mob.
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01-10-2018, 11:06 AM | #17 |
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Re: Skill to Plan and Execute a Coup
I think that something this complicated (and very likely plot central) should involve more roleplaying than an individual skill - rather, it should involve a raft of them...
However, to those who are dismissing Law as an appropriate skill, consider what is going on in the US currently. One side is trying to use an investigation to find grounds for impeachment. The other side is trying to expose said investigation as illegal (both in terms of bias involved, and possibly un-constitutional search and seizure by abuse of intelligence agency powers...). (Further, if you go back 1.5 years, the election was being impinged by a significant criminal investigation.) These are basically legal questions, and thus the law skill is quite relevant - especially the bit where it includes the performance before a court... |
01-10-2018, 11:08 AM | #18 | |
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Convincing society in general of the legitimacy of some position is the province of skills like Politics, Propaganda, Public Speaking and Writing. Arguments can be based on appeals to points of Law, Philosophy or Theology, but whether they sway the populace has little or nothing to do with whether they are technically correct according to the arcane rules of the academic discipline.
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01-10-2018, 11:20 AM | #19 |
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Re: Skill to Plan and Execute a Coup
That's the point of the law. That's not the point of the Law skill. The Law skill is the technical skill of understanding the minutia of the law.
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01-10-2018, 12:50 PM | #20 | |
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Note that I'm not arguing that this method applies in the generality of coups and countercoups. Certainly, a coup as such is an extra-legal action, and a countercoup may use extra-legal methods. But if people are preparing to engage in a coup, and you catch them before they make the overt attempt, they may already have done things that are extra-legal, and thus be subject to trial—in the United States, for example, on charges of conspiracy, among other things. That trial would be decided by Law rolls. And that sounds like at least one aspect of the initially described scenario, though not necessarily the decisive one.
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