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Old 01-12-2019, 06:28 AM   #201
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Sorry but thats not what we agreed upon a few posts ago, and these technologies are not superscience according to GURPS as far as I know it.
I certainly haven't agreed to any such thing. In fact my comment about "a miracle happens" was expresssing my disagreement. And I don't see that anyone here but you has endorsed the idea that anything you have been proposing is "realistic."
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:42 AM   #202
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Thats because I've only played with spaniards so far. I do not know good interfaces to run scenes in English and all my players are Spanish speakers.
I think you're kind of doing things backward. You seem to be thinking that if you got me to play your game, or watch it being played, then the experience would sell me on its being interesting. But I would need a certain basic level of interest before I would even consider doing one of those things. You would have to inspire that level of interest by telling me what kind of game it is: its premise, its theme, its setting, what its PCs do, and so on. But nothing you've told me so far has inspired that basic level of interest; quite the contrary.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:43 AM   #203
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Memetics has been discussed here and conclussions are pretty clear.
I don't think that discussion reached any conclusions.
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:50 AM   #204
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As we previously agreed, I have written the following for the appointment of judges favorable to We Can in the Supreme Court (The names of the characters could change):

2012
  • The US Department of Justice announces that it no longer requires Genesis to be divided and seeks a less demanding antitrust penalty.
  • After allocating billions of dollars to promote slogans like " 2012 Starts The Change " or " If we move, we change everything ", and messages like " They are hate, deceit, lies, corruption. We are joy, hope, future "," The fear that the caste has for us feeds our desire to keep moving forward " and " To hatred, lies or defamations of those who do not respect us, I tell them that their hate is our smile ", We can get 139 seats in the House of Representatives and 11 senators.
  • The podemist Janus Frost becomes a force to be considered during the presidential elections.
  • Judge McDaniels issues her ruling dismissing the charges against Genesis with the unanimous approval of the Court of Appeals, which rejects objections about the unsuitability of the sentence.
2014
  • After another campaign that equals in success to the previous one, We Can increases its presence in the Congress, reaching 278 seats in the Lower Chamber and getting 32 representatives in the Senate.
  • The Federal Law of the Trade Commission of 1914 and the Clayton Antitrust Act of 1914 are repealed.
2016
  • Janus Frost sweeps the elections and is named president of the United States with the support of 64% of voters.
  • After overcoming the success of the previous campaigns, We Can takes over the Congress, reaching 418 seats in the Lower Chamber and getting a majority in the Upper Chamber with 64 senators.
  • In what is the largest financial operation in the history of mankind the United States leads international agreements to provide up to six trillion dollars in credit lines to Genesis Technologies.
  • Clarence Thomas is prosecuted for crimes of sexual abuse and subsequently found guilty, resulting in his dismissal from the position of associate judge of the Supreme Court.
  • Antonin Scalia is found dead at the Cibolo Creek ranch. The death certificate declares that he died of a heart attack.
  • John Roberts, chief justice of the Supreme Court of the United States, voluntarily resigns from office.
  • Judge McDaniels is appointed chief justice of the Supreme Court.
  • Angelica Orange and Christopher Jobs are appointed associate judges of the Supreme Court.
2017
  • There is a mass shooting in the state of Nevada during the celebration of the music festival Route 91 Harvest with a balance of 60 deaths and 851 injuries. Among those killed is Elena Kagan, associate judge of the Supreme Court.
  • Alexander King is appointed associate judge of the Supreme Court.
2018
  • We Can maintains its presence in the House of Representatives and increase its number of senators to 85.
  • Anthony Kennedy announces his retirement from the Supreme Court.
  • Chloe Morgan is appointed associate judge of the Supreme Court.

At this point We Can has appointed 5/9 judges to the Supreme Court, a supporter has been re-elected as President of the United States, and they have a majority in both chambers of the Congress. Would this be enough to do and undo at convenience?

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Old 01-12-2019, 06:58 AM   #205
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  • Janus Frost sweeps the elections and is named president of the United States with the support of 64% of voters.
Is there any particular reason that the last two US Presidential elections in your campaign were in 2014 and 2018, instead of, as in our world, elections occurring in 2012 and 2016?
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Old 01-12-2019, 06:59 AM   #206
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Does anyone come up with a good name for the political party?
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Is there any particular reason that the last two US Presidential elections in your campaign were in 2014 and 2018, instead of, as in our world, elections occurring in 2012 and 2016?
Good note, I will correct it immediately.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:15 AM   #208
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Completely unrealistic timeline which ignores the actions of the Democratic and Republican Parties as well as the federal bureaucracy, intelligence community, and military. In the real world, the Democratic and Republican Parties would work together to exclude the new party on the local and state level, denying them access to local, state, and federal ballots, and would start investigating the suspicious funding of the new party from day one. In addition, the federal bureaucracy would start legal actions against the people involved for banking, election, and securities fraud (you are talkiny about the Obama Justice Department) and the intelligence community would start killing and imprisoning anyone involved in the memetics campaign (they have procedures for dealing with enemy psyops). If nothing else works, everyone calls on the military to bomb their enemies into smithereens.

A more realistic scenario would see the corporations suborn one of the two existing parties over the course of a decade or two and taking over a major media empire to be its mouthpiece. With indoctrinated candidates coming up through the two party system, it could change policy slowly from inside, and the other groups would be slow to act to suppress an existing major party. Of course, it could also just do a Manchurian Candidate on the Presidential nominee of a major party, but they would still run into issues with the Constitution.
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Old 01-12-2019, 08:56 AM   #209
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Trying to present this in a way as to not endorse any ideology/party. Mods, please edit as needed to keep it within forum guidelines, as we're already skirting the line with this conversation.


Honestly, if you want a new party in the US, you start grass-roots. Grab a few municipal seats in a region, move onto the state legislature, repeat the next state over where the people share your ideals, and be prepared to face off against the two-party system from the word "go" in that both parties have the backing of nation-wide organizations to get advertising and debate space, especially since both parties will (possibly rightly) see the upstart as "stealing our voter base". This will take decades to get into the position of earning enough seats in Congress to affect policy changes in the company's favor.

This is why none of our third-party candidates will ever win the White House, and even in the very slim chance they win they'll be fighting a hostile Congress - regardless of which party controls either house - every step of the way, and why even our third- and fourth-largest parties, the Libertarian and Socialist Parties, top out at being a coalition force in state legislatures, a governor (AZ had a Libertarian governor in the past), or one of the very few Independents in Congress who need to side with one of the two larger parties to get their stuff through (e.g. the two Socialists from Vermont in the Senate).

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Old 01-12-2019, 09:11 AM   #210
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the Democratic and Republican Parties would work together to exclude the new party on the local and state level, denying them access to local, state, and federal ballots...
Now thats unrealistic since it is unconstitutional. The most they can be asked for are signatures from supporters of the party to reach a certain amount, they could not block them just saying "bwaaah but we dont like them!"
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