Low-Tech_mid to late 14th Century Armor

[Lancewholelot]

I'm wanting to run Orcslayer in GURPS 4e using historic medieval armor. Below is what I've cooked up using Low-Tech so far (limb armor is still being worked on). I've doubled the cost of most TL4 plate armor pieces appropriate to the period and included some archaic armor for the squire on a budget. Any thoughts?

Note that the Light, Medium, and Heavy designations for bascinets, visors, gambesons, breastplates, and backplates are relative rather than strict Low-Tech terminology.

Under Armor:
Padded Aketon (Arms, Torso) DR:1* $75 Wgt:9 Location:Arms, Torso Note:Called a Padded Jupon when worn over armor.
Padded Sleeveless Aketon (Torso) DR:1* $50 Wgt:6 Location:Torso Note:Called a Padded Sleeveless Jupon when worn over armor.
Padded Collar (Neck) DR:1* $3 Wgt:0.3 Location:Neck Note:Can be attached to an aketon or be made as a separate piece.
Padded Arming Cap (Bascinet) DR:1* $13 Wgt:1.5 Location:Skull, Face (1/6) Note:Can be attached inside a bascinet or worn as separate piece.
Padded Arming Hood (Coif) DR:1* $15 Wgt:1.8 Location:Skull, Face (1/6), Neck Note:Single-piece worn in place of a cap and collar.
Light Mail Haubergeon (Arms, Torso) DR:3/1* $750 Wgt:18 Location:Arms, Torso Note:Includes a lightly padded pourpoint garment.
Light Mail Half-Sleeve Haubergeon (Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Torso) DR:3/1* $625 Wgt:15 Location:Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Torso Note:Includes a lightly padded pourpoint garment.
Banded Mail Collar (Neck) DR:3 $38 Wgt:0.9 Location:Neck Note:Can be attached to a haubergon or be made as a separate piece.

Head and Neck Protection:
Light Bascinet DR:5 $500 Wgt:4 Location:Skull, Face (1/6)
Medium Bascinet DR:6 $625 Wgt:5 Location:Skull, Face (1/6)
Heavy Bascinet DR:7 $750 Wgt:6 Location:Skull, Face (1/6)
Medium Visor DR:6 $157 Wgt:1.25 Location:Face (5/6) Note:Attaches to bascinet. Not worn under greathelm.
Heavy Visor DR:7 $188 Wgt:1.5 Location:Face (5/6) Note:Attaches to bascinet. Not worn under greathelm.
Light Mail Aventail DR:3/1* $25 Wgt:0.6 Location:Neck
Medium Mail Aventail DR:4/2* $45 Wgt:0.75 Location:Neck
Heavy Mail Aventail DR:5/3* $60 Wgt:0.9 Location:Neck
Light Scale Aventail DR:3/2 $16 Wgt:0.8 Location:Neck
Medium Scale Aventail DR:4/3 $28 Wgt:1.2 Location:Neck
Greathelm DR:6 $875 Wgt:7 Location:Skull, Face, Neck Note:Worn over a bascinet. Restricts head movement.

Body Armor:
Heavy Gambeson (Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:2* $293 Wgt:23.4 Location:Arms, Thighs, Torso
Heavy Half-Sleeve Gambeson (Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:2* $255 Wgt:20.4 Location:Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso
Heavy Short-Sleeve Gambeson (Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:2* $248 Wgt:19.8 Location:Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso
Jack of Plates (Arms, Torso) DR:3 $450 Wgt:27 Location:Arms, Torso
Sleeveless Jack of Plates (Torso) DR:3 $300 Wgt:18 Location:Torso
Archaic Heavy Mail Hauberk (Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:5/3* $2340 Wgt:35.1 Location:Arms, Thighs, Torso
Archaic Heavy Half-Sleeve Mail Hauberk (Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:5/3* $2040 Wgt:30.6 Location:Elbows, Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso
Archaic Heavy Short-Sleeve Mail Hauberk (Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso) DR:5/3* $1980 Wgt:29.7 Location:Shoulders, Upper Arms, Thighs, Torso
Medium Coat of Plates (Torso) DR:4 $900 Wgt:21 Location:Torso
Heavy Coat of Plates (Torso) DR:5 $1200 Wgt:32 Location:Torso
Archaic Medium Iron Lamellar Cuirass (Chest) DR:4/3 $413 Wgt:21 Location:Chest
Archaic Heavy Iron Lamellar Cuirass (Chest) DR:5 $825 Wgt:30 Location:Chest
Advanced Light Iron Breastplate (Front Chest) DR:5 $1500 Wgt:6 Location:Front Chest
Advanced Medium Iron Breastplate (Front Chest) DR:6 $1875 Wgt:7.5 Location:Front Chest
Advanced Heavy Iron Breastplate (Front Chest) DR:7 $2250 Wgt:9 Location:Front Chest
Advanced Light Iron Backplate (Back Chest) DR:3 $750 Wgt:3 Location:Back Chest
Advanced Medium Iron Backplate (Back Chest) DR:4 $1125 Wgt:4.5 Location:Back Chest
Advanced Heavy Iron Backplate (Back Chest) DR:5 $1500 Wgt:6 Location:Back Chest
Light Segmented Fauld (Abdomen) DR:3 $150 Wgt:3.5 Location:Abdomen
Medium Segmented Fauld (Abdomen) DR:4 $225 Wgt:5.25 Location:Abdomen
Heavy Segmented Fauld (Abdomen) DR:5 $300 Wgt:7 Location:Abdomen
Medium Scale Fauld (Abdomen) DR:4/3 $138 Wgt:6 Location:Abdomen
Heavy Scale Fauld (Abdomen) DR:5 $275 Wgt:10 Location:Abdomen

Extra Groin Protection:
Heavy Cuir Bouilli Codpiece (Groin) DR:3 $13 Wgt:1.25 Location:Groin Note:Removed when mounted.
Light Plate Codpiece (Groin) DR:3 $50 Wgt:0.4 Location:Groin Note:Removed when mounted.
Light Mail Skirt (Abdomen) DR:3/1* $125 Wgt:3 Location:Abdomen Note:Usely worn under a segmented fauld if a haubergeon is omitted.

Hand Protection:
Gauntlets, Light Segmented Plate DR:3 $60 Wgt:1.6 Location:Hands
Gauntlets, Segmented Plate DR:4 $90 Wgt:2.4 Location:Hands
Gauntlets, Light Mail DR:3/1* $50 Wgt:1.2 Location:Hands
Gauntlets, Fine Mail DR:4/2* $90 Wgt:1.5 Location:Hands
Mufflers, Heavy Mail DR:5/3* $120 Wgt:1.8 Location:Hands
Gauntlets, Light Scale DR:3/2 $32 Wgt:1.6 Location:Hands

Foot Protection:
Sabatons, Light Segmented Plate DR:3 $60 Wgt:1.6 Location:Feet
Sabatons, Segmented Plate DR:4 $90 Wgt:2.4 Location:Feet
Sollerets, Light Mail DR:3/1* $50 Wgt:1.2 Location:Feet Note:Already included on Mail Chausses.
Sollerets, Fine Mail DR:4/2* $90 Wgt:1.5 Location:Feet
Sollerets, Heavy Mail DR:5/3* $120 Wgt:1.8 Location:Feet
Sollerets, Light Scale DR:3/2 $32 Wgt:1.6 Location:Feet

[Lancewholelot]

I'm wanting to try out the Edge Protection rules from Low-Tech (LT p.102). The thing is, I get the feeling that it's a compromise and that many involved in its development have made their own house rules. I've read Icelander's modifications. Any other suggestions that aren't a total redesign?

[Lancewholelot]

I'm finding myself dissatisfied with using reinforced hardened leather from Low-Tech to represent the splinted limb defenses of the 14th century. In many cases the splints would seem to alternate between the inside and outside the leather, possibly with more overlap as a result. Surely this offers more protection than the leather with +1 DR to cut. Would this be better represented as segmented plate or maybe even scale?

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Lancewholelot

I'm wanting to try out the Edge Protection rules from Low-Tech (LT p.102). The thing is, I get the feeling that it's a compromise and that many involved in its development have made their own house rules. I've seen Eric the Red's modifications. Any other suggestions that aren't a total redesign?

I used the Low-Tech rule as is without issue.

[Lancewholelot]

I'm reworking the weight's of scale and segmented plate based of Dan Howard's posted changes. I'm just not sure if I'm using his first or second reworking of weights for segmented plate. Does anyone make use of one or the other?

[DanHoward]

Originally Posted by Lancewholelot

I'm reworking the weight's of scale and segmented plate based of Dan Howard's posted changes. I'm just not sure if I'm using his first or second reworking of weights for segmented plate. Does anyone make use of one or the other?

That's the one.

[DanHoward]

Originally Posted by Lancewholelot

In many cases the splints would seem to alternate between the inside and outside the leather, possibly with more overlap as a result.

We don't actually know this because we only have illustrations and those illustrations don't show the inside of the armour. Personally I don't think there was any metal on the inside.

[Anders]

Originally Posted by Lancewholelot

I'm reworking the weight's of scale and segmented plate based of Dan Howard's posted changes. I'm just not sure if I'm using his first or second reworking of weights for segmented plate. Does anyone make use of one or the other?

I'm using the first reworking.

[Lancewholelot]

BTW

Is it legally okay for me to publicly post loadouts made using published GURPS material, with some items being strait from the books?

[Polydamas]

Originally Posted by Lancewholelot

I'm wanting to run Orcslayer in GURPS 4e using historic medieval armor. Below is what I've cooked up using Low-Tech so far (limb armor is still being worked on). I've doubled the cost of most TL4 plate armor pieces appropriate to the period and included some archaic armor for the squire on a budget. Any thoughts?

By the mid-to-late 14th century, mail was two or three times as expensive as plate of similar quality protecting the same areas. So I would not worry about changing prices for individual, unless I decided to throw out the GURPS prices for everything and use historical ones (which is great, and the GURPS blog roundup from 25 May has a post for that, but a lot of work for something that maybe one person at the table will care about).

I would be inclined to control the fanciest items by limiting supply. "Oh, you want a solid breastplate? You can pay extortionate prices to buy one that doesn't fit from another soldier, or wait for the fair next year."