can I do THIS?

[melkiythegreat]

Originally Posted by Progmode

You are correct Mental_Myopia, the Cleric would keep the bonus. However, the bonus is against Undead monsters. If there aren't any Undead monsters in the combat anymore, then he's not at +9. I would think if new Undead monster appeared, the cleric would be at +9. So, the power stays once you've discarded, but the power still only does what it says it does.

Sorry but, by the cleric card text, it's no "bonus against undead".
On card written:" may discard...in combat against undead" and "each discarded gives". In my opinion if he already discarded cards correct,the Cleric would still keep his bonus from discarding; even if the new Monster is not Undead.

[morleydotes]

Originally Posted by melkiythegreat

Sorry but, by the cleric card text, it's no "bonus against undead".
On card written:" may discard...in combat against undead" and "each discarded gives". In my opinion if he already discarded cards correct,the Cleric would still keep his bonus from discarding; even if the new Monster is not Undead.

"You may discard up to 3 cards in combat against an Undead creature. Each discard gives you a plus 3 bonus."

Full quote and it does not say you can use the bonus on just anything.
It is infered that it is for undead.

Already been ruled on. Yes if undead, no if not.
MunchkinMan is the rules guy and has ruled on this one before.


Pat

[Mental_Myopia]

Originally Posted by morleydotes

"You may discard up to 3 cards in combat against an Undead creature. Each discard gives you a plus 3 bonus."
Pat

Yes, you can use your discard-activated ability as long as there's an Undead Monster in the battle. If the Undead Monster is removed from the battle, you do still keep your combat bonus, since it was activated by discards. This is printed clearly in the FAQ.

The bonus remains.

[Progmode]

Originally Posted by Mental_Myopia

Yes, you can use your discard-activated ability as long as there's an Undead Monster in the battle. If the Undead Monster is removed from the battle, you do still keep your combat bonus, since it was activated by discards. This is printed clearly in the FAQ.

The bonus remains.

I assume you are referring to the earlier FAQ entry you cited?

Q. If somebody changes your race or class during combat (such as with a curse), does that change your combat bonuses?
A. Yes. If you quit being an Elf, you can no longer get a bonus from Elf-only items, and so on. You can never get the benefit of two races or two classes in one combat unless you have a special card that allows it. Powers driven by discards are an exception. If a Warrior had already discarded a card to get a +1 combat bonus, and then stopped being a Warrior, he would keep the bonus, but wouldn't be able to discard any more cards for the Warrior bonus. Yes, this rule can be used to the player's advantage. Hee hee.

This entry doesn't apply to this situation because you aren't losing your Cleric class. The question at hand is whether the +9 only counts while an Undead monster is present or only requires that an Undead monster be present at the time of discarding. I can't find any recent discussion on the topic, but I did come across this from years back (so take it with a grain of salt):
Erik's position

Erik later went on to clarify his statement here: Erik's clarification

Basically it says that Erik leans towards the bonus going away if the Undead monster goes away, but it isn't official. There may be a later official ruling that I can't find and don't have time to find at the moment (I'm at work).

[Mental_Myopia]

I believe that the FAQ would apply here as well, as the bonus was activated through discards; especially if this is the exact quote of the card:

"You may discard up to 3 cards in combat against an Undead creature. Each discard gives you a plus 3 bonus."

The text clearly states that the cards must be discarded while an Undead Monster is in that combat. The bonus itself does not state that it's only good against Undead Monsters. Simply reading the card would suggest that the bonus stays, even if that FAQ ruling wasn't there to back it up...

[Zonderion]

I agree with Mental_Myopia. In order to activate the Cleric's abilty, all that is needed is an Undead monster in the combat and you discard at least 1 card. When the ability has been activated, you get a +X bonus.

I'll compare it to the Ninja's Ability:
If you are in combat you can discard 2 cards and roll a die, you get +X Bonus where X = the number shown on the die.
The condition here is that you must be in combat, and must discard 2 cards, if these conditions are met, then you get +X bonus for the battle.

The condition for the Cleric is that there must be an Undead monster in the battle and you must discard at least one card to activate. If these conditions are met, then you get +X bonus.
The bonus does not go away if:
(1)You lose your Class card
(2)There is no longer an Undead monster
The reason for this ruling, IMO, is that the ability has already been activated and the product of that ability has been attained. It doesn't matter if the conditions are no longer met after the ability has been activated.

[Progmode]

For the record, I'm not arguing with the logic behind keeping the +9 if the Undead monster goes away. It makes sense based on the wording. I've just got a little something in the back of my mind that says it wasn't ruled that way in the past. I can't be entirely crazy if Pat has the same thoughts, but that certainly doesn't mean I'm not wrong. :-)

[Zonderion]

Well there's no doubt that if you follow the idea(?) of what the card is trying to achieve, then you might be able to convince people that the idea of the ability is to give a Cleric(a holy person) an advantage against an Undead.

It makes sense that a Holy Person would have an advantage against an Undead and not against another monster. So looking at it from this point of view, the Cleric would only get a bonus against an Undead and if there were no Undead monsters in the combat, then the Cleric would not get a bonus, because the Cleric doesn't have an advantage against normal monsters like it does against Undead.

So if you go by the wording on the cards, then yes you keep the +Bonus and is used against any monster.

But if you go by the Idea of what the card is trying to achieve, then you do not get the bonus if there are no Undead monsters in the combat.

Of course, I will use my personal release of any liability and say that this is all In My Opinion.

[morleydotes]

Originally Posted by Mental_Myopia

I believe that the FAQ would apply here as well, as the bonus was activated through discards; especially if this is the exact quote of the card:
The text clearly states that the cards must be discarded while an Undead Monster is in that combat. The bonus itself does not state that it's only good against Undead Monsters. Simply reading the card would suggest that the bonus stays, even if that FAQ ruling wasn't there to back it up...

Erik?


Pat

[Mental_Myopia]

I think we finally stumped him! :)

This thread does have a really lame title, which makes it likely to be overlooked, though...