[Martial Arts] Things I would like to see

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Bryan's articles proved largely redundant with our own material on fencing, which drew heavily on Sydney Anglo's work -- a lot of which made different assumptions.

We also drew heavily on the source material itself - Capo Ferro, Thibault, Agrrippa, and so on. In every case I could, I went to the primary sources instead of relying on secondary sources. So rather than Bryan's articles on fencing, I went to fencing manuals themselves, and on scholarly treatments of the subject of fencing.

[Dahak]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Whatever 4e book replaces Covert Ops (and yes, I have an idea what book that will be, but I'm not tipping my hand).

Hmmm... sounds like GURPS Technothriller to me. After all, Dark GURPSions would just sound silly. ;)

[griffin]

Originally Posted by zorg

I assume stuff like "Zero G Kung Fu"/"Vacc Suit-Karate" will be discussed the same way as in MA3E? That is to say, a paragraph or two on specific scifi or fantasy styles?
Or will there be more information? /curious/

To those looking for Fantasy, SF, and futuristic martial arts styles, it's my understanding that most of that material didn't make the cut. There should be the mechanics to create your own, but as styles, not so much.

Here's the thread where that's discussed:

GURPS MA 4e SF and Fantasy Styles

Real historical styles took precedence. For the fantasy and SF stuff, you'll have to roll your own. I do hope the Force Swordsmanship is still present and the blaster bolt parries which on poster asked about is dealt with. Although, I thought this could be done using stuff in GURPS Basic 4e books, but I haven't found the rules reference on a quick look through the index.

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by griffin

To those looking for Fantasy, SF, and futuristic martial arts styles, it's my understanding that most of that material didn't make the cut. There should be the mechanics to create your own, but as styles, not so much.

Yeah. That's about it. There are less non-historical styles, but we did ensure a good spread of styles to cover lots of different genres. Essentially, we picked enough to cover a range and cut duplication of coverage. We had a lot of historical styles to include, lots of general combat rules, more weapons to discuss, more character generation information and so on than 3e. Even with a higher page count something had to give.

I think we included sufficient information to let people generate more styles as they need them. As I said in that thread griffin linked to, I am more inclined to give tools than figured examples.

Force-Swordsmanship did make the first-draft cut, though, and so did Precognitive Parry.They're changed a bit for 4e but they are in there.

[Luther]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

Yeah. That's about it. There are less non-historical styles, but we did ensure a good spread of styles to cover lots of different genres. Essentially, we picked enough to cover a range and cut duplication of coverage. We had a lot of historical styles to include, lots of general combat rules, more weapons to discuss, more character generation information and so on than 3e. Even with a higher page count something had to give.

And I'm glad you did so. It's easy enough to tweak the appropriate historical style and turn it into some fancy fantasy martial arts, or use the suggested cinematic skills and advantages to do that.

[zorg]

Originally Posted by Toadkiller_Dog

I think we included sufficient information to let people generate more styles as they need them. As I said in that thread griffin linked to, I am more inclined to give tools than figured examples.

And that's what I'm looking forward to. Toolbox!

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by zorg

And that's what I'm looking forward to. Toolbox!

Treat as a cheap-quality maul at -4 to Two-Handed Axe/Mace skill. Roll 1d on any attack or parry. On a 1, it comes open and spills its tools. On a critical miss, it comes open and the user gets a screwdriver in the eye.

Okay, maybe we don't have that . . .

[Lord Carnifex]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Okay, maybe we don't have that . . .

What, no Jackie Chan-style use of improvised weapons? <grumble> Well, I suppose that'd take a 124 pg. book all on it's own. Full of listings for things like "Firehose" and "Three-piece extension ladder" and "rope with horseshoe tied on"

Hmmm... _GURPS MA: Killin' People with Everyday Objects_ There could be a manuscript in that...

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[zorg]

Originally Posted by Kromm

Treat as a cheap-quality maul at -4 to Two-Handed Axe/Mace skill. Roll 1d on any attack or parry. On a 1, it comes open and spills its tools. On a critical miss, it comes open and the user gets a screwdriver in the eye.

Okay, maybe we don't have that . . .

Kromm, I have to say, you're not entirely serious these days. I suspect you don't have enough work to do... /ducks/

[Kromm]

Originally Posted by Lord Carnifex

What, no Jackie Chan-style use of improvised weapons? <grumble> Well, I suppose that'd take a 124 pg. book all on it's own. Full of listings for things like "Firehose" and "Three-piece extension ladder" and "rope with horseshoe tied on"

Hmmm... _GURPS MA: Killin' People with Everyday Objects_ There could be a manuscript in that...

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Actually, we do have a long box on improvised weapons, another list of things for Throwing Art, and even a way of incorporating IW training into a martial art (as featured in krav maga). Just not specific stats for toolboxes as weapons. Oh, and we also have rules for using fridge doors and furniture Chan-style, but those are cinematic.