DF Ninja and Lizard Climb

[sir_pudding]

Is there any reason not to add Lizard Climb to the list of Ninja skills if you are using Martial Arts with Dungeon Fantasy?

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Personally, I think it stomps on the Thief too much, so I'd say no. The ninja is more killer than thief as designed, and Lizard Climb is more of a thief's skill than a killer's. Ninjas are also more gadget-oriented than thieves, so they should be climbing thanks to self-boosts by stepping on the their ninja-to's tsuba, climbing with metal claws, using climbing poles, and otherwise using cool stuff to get up there.

They have cool powers, even some thiefly ones, but I think this pushes a bit too far.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Peter V. Dell'Orto

Personally, I think it stomps on the Thief too much, so I'd say no. The ninja is more killer than thief as designed, and Lizard Climb is more of a thief's skill than a killer's. Ninjas are also more gadget-oriented than thieves, so they should be climbing thanks to self-boosts by stepping on the their ninja-to's tsuba, climbing with metal claws, using climbing poles, and otherwise using cool stuff to get up there.

They have cool powers, even some thiefly ones, but I think this pushes a bit too far.

Shadow Walk already allows moving along vertical surfaces without any rolls at all. I've got a Ninja that complains that he can't leave Shadow Form without falling. I suppose I can suggest he use Tools to solve this problem. Thanks!

[Peter V. Dell'Orto]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Shadow Walk already allows moving along vertical surfaces without any rolls at all. I've got a Ninja that complains that he can't leave Shadow Form without falling. I suppose I can suggest he use Tools to solve this problem. Thanks!

No problem. There is a lot of overlap, but ninjas need to do things a little differently - it's what keeps them from being a Thief replacement, really.

[Figleaf23]

These kind of questions are why I abandoned that Other Game in the first place.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

These kind of questions are why I abandoned that Other Game in the first place.

Well you don't have to play in my DF game and couldn't even if you wanted to (too many players already!).

[Figleaf23]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

Well you don't have to play in my DF game.

Okay then, I WON'T. Nyah!

;-)

[roguebfl]

Originally Posted by Figleaf23

These kind of questions are why I abandoned that Other Game in the first place.

This is a Setting/Genre rule (aka a DF rule) not a system rule 8)

[Dammann]

None of my players has wants to play a thief anyway, but we have a ninja who does a lot of the thief-y things. I think the ninja replaces the thief quite handily. I think it is a better template. The style may be different, but the result is similar, and there is more combat utility.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Dammann

None of my players has wants to play a thief anyway, but we have a ninja who does a lot of the thief-y things. I think the ninja replaces the thief quite handily. I think it is a better template. The style may be different, but the result is similar, and there is more combat utility.

Not trap detection and disarming unless you are a Ninja-Theif.