12-13-2011, 12:49 PM | #31 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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10mm storm carbine vs 4mm Gauss rifle, and all that...
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12-13-2011, 01:01 PM | #32 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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For PCs who want to spend the money and time to hand-load individual APDS+P rounds in 7.62mm NATO, perhaps the issue is larger, but I'm not so sure if that's a real problem. DR70 powered combat armor isn't immune to damage and shouldn't be considered a "body tank" (to borrow from Alternity). I don't have HT handy, but it's way better than anything you can get today! That FN FAL holds 20+1 shots, has beastly recoil, and is freakin' heavy and every time you pull the trigger, you shoot something like $10 down-range. It's comparable to a storm carbine, and when you load the storm carbine up on special ammo types, it's way better. Now, I wouldn't mind an update to convert UT ammo types to HT ammo type rules, but that shouldn't be too hard to just house rule either. |
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12-13-2011, 01:02 PM | #33 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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Also, as has been mentioned, some of the HT specialized ammo types are superior, in effect and/or economy, to UT types. |
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12-13-2011, 01:09 PM | #34 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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Agreed on the HT ammo types, though I think that in real life, most of the crazy ammo types are only used in tank cannon rounds or autocannons. Like I said, show me an APDS+P 7.62mm NATO round manfactured by a real company and I'll eat one (with a knife and fork)... |
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12-13-2011, 01:48 PM | #35 | ||
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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I suspect the rangefinding bonus is only really appropriate beyond point-blank range, where bullet drop is sufficient to require compensation. It may not be expected that you'd be aiming a weapon so equipped closer than that. Also, I'm not sure, but the rangefinding bonus may be in the bucket of bunuses that are not allowed to exceed the base accuracy of the weapon... Quote:
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12-13-2011, 03:29 PM | #36 | |
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12-13-2011, 05:12 PM | #37 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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I think comparing just the DR and weapon damage of stuff in UT to stuff in HT is a gross oversimplification of the power level of these respective TLs (7-8 and 9). I don't think TL9 is supposed to represent such an advanced force so as to be unbeatable by lower TLs, so it's not a problem for me that a highly specialized, expensive, and rare bullet can be constructed that gives a TL7 conscript a small chance of penetrating TL9 armor, especially since when the REST of the TL differences are accounted for, there's almost no chance that the TL 7 conscript is going to get much of a chance to use those expensive bullets. |
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12-13-2011, 05:16 PM | #38 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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Again, you can't just take the damage values and the DR and say "Look, HT stuff is awesome compared to UT!" That's only a fraction of the story. |
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12-13-2011, 09:31 PM | #39 | |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
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Weapons in HT (and Tactical Shooting) have access to a few different features that UT doesn't; for example, the # RoF stat (where if you fire in bursts, your weapon has effective Rcl 1), or the SMG recoil compensator giving a TL8 SMG Rcl 1. I think UT also lacks RoF !, etc. |
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12-13-2011, 10:10 PM | #40 |
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Re: Will buy: UT2: Revised / Reworked Weapon Tables (Post-Pyramid etc.)
Uh? Only thing I know of like that gives +1 to skill when firing rapidly, not a modification to Rcl.
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