04-26-2018, 09:57 PM | #61 |
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Re: priest and theologian
Thanks for the correction guys.
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04-27-2018, 01:16 PM | #62 | |
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Re: Priests should be healers???
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When I said make the Clerics the primary healers, I meant (as I pointed out later) that they should be the primary ones taking that kind of skill. They should also have other skills that support the party, as opposed to just being another tank or Wizard wearing a different color of cloth. I've very seldom read of any warriors of the middle ages who were also physicians. (In fact, I think there should be another healing talent, call it "Medic," that warriors can take easily which basically just involves stabilizing someone or maybe healing a single hit point.) Real healing is an art, and a time-intensive one at that, especially during the medieval period. Which is why Monks and Nuns were the ones learning it and doing it. It's also why today's doctors generally go to school a lot longer than say, a Marine Corps grunt needs to. Which is not to belittle the grunt's skill set, just reminding you that it's acquired and exercised differently. Trying yet a third explanation; if tanks and Wizards are the infantry and artillery, then Clerics are the logistical support needed to get them there and keep them fighting, and as everyone has heard before, amateurs talk about tactics, while professionals discuss logistics... ;-) As far as role-playing goes, I think it would be VERY interesting to play a character who has little opportunity to directly attack an enemy, but who, at the same time, can indirectly manipulate things to ensure that enemy is defeated before the first arrow flies. Besides, as we've pointed out in other places on this forum, building and running TFT characters is so easy that there's no reason why you can't have one of each kind. |
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04-27-2018, 03:13 PM | #63 | |
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Re: priest and theologian
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Followers of the war god Slima, for instance, might be commanded to slay non-Slima followers wherever they find them. But Sliman clerics would carry this out by using spells that make Slima followers more effective in combat, rather than by using spells that directly inflict damage. |
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04-27-2018, 10:10 PM | #64 | |
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Re: priest and theologian
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05-26-2018, 09:15 AM | #65 | |
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Priestly rites powered by holy acts.
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Well, the question is what does the god want the priest - adventurer do? Does the god want a 40 attribute cleric sitting in town advising people on marital problems, or should the adventurer-cleric be fighting the demon spawn invasion? If the GM feels that he or she WANTS the players to be tending their flocks, then powering rites and miracles for doing that makes sense. I think that this is a decision that should be not be in the rules as a given for all religions. Rather that it should be pushed down to the religious descriptions. Some gods might want people to spend a lot of time tending flocks. Other religions would prefer lots of high value donations, and reward those who tithe a lot. *** My basic measure is that the rules should err on the side of making drama possible. How does adding clerics with magical powers make the game more dramatic and interesting? (Assuming that they are different enough, they add more variety to the possible characters, which is good.) In GURPS: Dungeon Fantasy, clerics were pretty typical. They could turn undead, had a collection of spells (especially healing spells), could detect evil, sanctify holy places, etc. It would not be hard to make something like this for TFT. But I would be thrilled to have an expansion to clerics in TFT that does more. Warm regards, Rick. |
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05-26-2018, 01:04 PM | #66 |
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Re: priest and theologian
Again, I agree with Rick on this. I would LOVE to see a "cleric" expansion for TFT at some point. Especially if it can break the D&D mold of how clerics are "supposed" to work (i.e., get rid of some of the various tropes around the "Cleric" class) and has the flexibility to allow evil as well as good clerics in an organized and effective way.
I think a certain amount of ground work has been laid for something more sensible, flexible and generally interesting (read: "more dramatic," as Rick says) in things like GURPS Religion, and so on, but it would take some pulling together to make something suitable for TFT (which, after all, has less detailed rules for many of the actions players take during the game). It's also probably worth pointing out that, like other adventurers, the cleric-type should be a unique and definitely NOT run-of-the-mill type of character. All those run-of-the-mill guys are the ones tending their pastoral flocks and blessing the local wheat crop and that sort of thing. The ones out adventuring would, sort of by definition, be of the "kick ass and take names, and I forgot my notepad for taking names today" kinds of people. Just as regular adventurers aren't the typical peasant farmer or local magic shoppe proprietor either... So, again, we'd be dealing with the exceptions, not the typical types, and all those rules for tending to the locals' spiritual needs and keeping the holy water font full aren't really what adventuring clerics would be all about. Last edited by JLV; 05-26-2018 at 01:10 PM. |
05-26-2018, 03:36 PM | #67 | |
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Re: Priests should be healers???
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However, as a PC, I imagine the character you describe would play on the tactical-level much like the "Vancian-Style Magic-Users" who can only "cast _____ once per day", and then are forced into a liability position within the rest of the Adventure Party. This idea has potential merit worth exploring. If you really want to open the dialog up JLV, why not start a separate thread so everyone can read your fully fleshed-out ideas on this? I for one would be very interested in hearing more from you on your idea. JK |
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05-29-2018, 03:31 PM | #68 |
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Re: priest and theologian
Moved this to a new thread
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05-29-2018, 08:04 PM | #69 | |
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Re: priest and theologian
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I really like this. However, rather than giving one spell list to all priests, I would allow it to be customized by religion. Warm regards, Rick. |
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05-29-2018, 10:26 PM | #70 | ||
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Re: priest and theologian
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Thanks! I'm sorry for the monolithic post, it makes it hard to keep track of everything in there. Would you believe I had to remove large amounts of elaboration in order to get it down to 10000 characters? In any case, yes, that's my intent which is why I say under "RITUALS": Quote:
I included the talisman's "beast form" to give a Celtic/Druidic example, like ak_aramis was talking about, very early on. Also, I was thinking of changing the term "ritual" to "ceremony" because A) I think it's more in the spirit of what I'm trying to do with this and B) to further distance this from D&D's concept of "ritual casting", which is simply an alternative type of casting that takes a lot of time but doesn't expend a spell slot. Also, ceremonies (using that term now) that are mechanically the same might "look" very different for different gods (i.e. have different trappings). All the ceremonies for a particular god would probably have common forms or at least common elements. Ideally, each god would have its own little booklet which would include descriptions for each of its ceremonies. It's a lot of work but it's also a lot of flavor. Something I left out of the example ceremonies (yes, using that instead of "ritual" now) was utility ceremonies, like things that help you get out of a pit or a prison. A thief or mechanician god would have several of those... -- Bill |
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