11-26-2021, 12:24 AM | #41 |
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Re: Ways for Monsters to See in the Dark
It should vary with the tetrochromat, since the way you achieve it is by having two slightly different variants of one of your color receptors, and there's three receptors that can be doubled.
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11-26-2021, 03:05 AM | #42 |
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Re: Ways for Monsters to See in the Dark
it does, but there seems to be (and the studies are limited, but growing) a higher rate of various combinations, with some influence based on gender (which we know impacts things like colour blindness) through hereditary genetic traits.
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11-26-2021, 04:38 AM | #43 |
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Re: Ways for Monsters to See in the Dark
Technically, it's sex, not gender, that influences color blindness. Gender is assigned to you by your culture or, in our current culture, subjectively decided by the individual; but color blindness depends on how many X chromosomes you have.
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That's a very gameable idea, and it really fits the feel I'm trying to get. I've got that Mana Bloom Ecology going, so little spores waiting for higher mana zones should be getting on everything. Its exotic, but its also very intuitive to interact with. Quote:
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I like this idea! It works for an ambush predator with a small home range (It does almost turn them into a trapping predator), but I can also see it working for a community as well. They run threads all around the tunnels they live in and collect food from, and you can tell you're approaching their homes by looking for the filaments. Then you have specialized scouts who go out and lay the new filaments, perhaps given actual site by magic while they're exposed in the outside world. I'm planning an arthropod race this could work well for. Quote:
Its not just birds, its also a great number of reptiles and fish... vertabrates ancestrally see four colors, including a UV band and a color of green much more evenly centered between blue and red than ours. Mammals just lost two of those colors at some point, and then some primates picked up green from a mutant red. Insects I don't know as well, but its my understanding that at least some (bees are often shown as the illustration) have three types of cones, very widely spaced, that pick up some IR on the low end and UV on the high. I don't think of the UV and IR that other critters see as having the properties we normally associate with those bands: they're so close to visible light that we may as well consider it to be visible light we can't see. Quote:
that's a nice trick. I suppose even echolocation is a variant on that.
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11-26-2021, 08:26 AM | #45 | |
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The first visible red light from metal heated in a fire is at about 900 K, so the first NIR light should be at about 450 K, which is about 350°F.
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11-26-2021, 08:28 AM | #46 |
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Re: Ways for Monsters to See in the Dark
If you want to be weird sciencey rather than magicky, you could give the critters para-radar, or make up a precision or targeting variant of para-radar.
On a more mundane level, I believe Enhanced Senses has rules for Targeting Hearing. Owls actually have something like that in the real world.
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11-26-2021, 03:32 PM | #47 | |
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Colour blindness is influenced by X chromosomes, but females can be colour blind - it's just less likely for them to inherit both genes required for the condition. And for added complexity, I know twins (female), one of whom is colour blind and the other isn't. So there's also gene expression and possibly RNA influences going on.
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11-26-2021, 03:38 PM | #48 | |
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Either predators or prey might develop such senses for opposing reasons.
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11-26-2021, 04:15 PM | #49 |
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Re: Ways for Monsters to See in the Dark
UV vision is basically extended blue band, it doesn't do anything terribly interesting for any wavelength that is useful in atmosphere. The big advantage near IR would have is seeing by firelight, a 1,500K blackbody is a hundred times brighter in NIR than in visible light.
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Is there a reference for seeing via ground vibrations rather than air vibrations? That's something else that might end up being ambient "oh no, they're coming" is a fun thing to play with. Quote:
That's really good to know. Perhaps night vision X (firelight only-20%). Any thoughts on the color pallet folks using that band would wear? That's not a bad option, and when echolocators are trying to be stealthy they may have to rely on that.
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