01-08-2020, 08:09 PM | #11 |
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Re: High/ultra tech sights/accessories on muzzle-loaders
I've never seen or used one. I have no idea how complicated they are or how precisely they have to fit. I can't guess whether one could be made with the techology of England in 1830.
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01-08-2020, 08:32 PM | #12 | |
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They are not at all complicated but they do need to fit well enough to use interchangeable parts.
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01-08-2020, 10:04 PM | #13 |
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Re: High/ultra tech sights/accessories on muzzle-loaders
Most modern in-line hunting muzzle loaders are fitted with a nice optical scope. No reason a 1800's era rifle wouldn't benefit from a modern passive optical scope. An 1800's pistol might well be more useful with a red-dot type sight.
Once you have the mechanical mounts in place, price would be the limiting factor on what optics(passive or active) a shooter/sniper could install. For many applications, a nice night scope would be a big upgrade for a sniper in such a world. The single shot limitations of a muzzleloader might not be much of a limitation in a shoot then vanish into the night scenario. Especially if a night scope allowed a 200~300 yard or longer shot. |
01-08-2020, 11:03 PM | #14 | |
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Picatinny rail is for giving yourself a choice of what accessories to mount, right? Or to make it possible to remove delicate accessories for safe storage and transport? Supposing that we do have a double-barrelled rifled caplock pistol with a single-set trigger, made to fire carefully cast and selected Minié bullets — what things might we want to clamp to its picatinny rail? Is it inherently accurate enough that we get an advantage out of a red-dot sight, or is a front bead realistically all that is worth mounting on it?
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01-09-2020, 04:40 AM | #15 |
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Re: High/ultra tech sights/accessories on muzzle-loaders
'Accessory Rail' is simply the standard of mounting accessories.
All firearms subscribing to the concept can use all attachments subscribing to the concept. Before it's introduction, most accessories were made for specific firearms such as "Scope for Kalashnikov Rifles" or "Foregrip Light for H&K MP5" etc. By making attachments universal, you do not need to stick to a single platform, so you can just produce 1 product that reaches infinite audience, rather than audience of one type of gun only. Attachment-wise etc, I would've used locally made optical sight. The tools and machinery usually can provide a scope with solid, if fixed, magnification, while TL7 concepts allow them to gather light to cancel out darkness penalties and have lit up reticles for night shooting. Another thing is a folding bipod, which should be doable without advances in machinery. For most real life TL5 and TL6, bipods were either just shooting sticks or reserved for MGs, so introduction of smaller folding bipod as a concept can help the gunfighter marksman. But most importantly, since a single shot musket that reloads by next christmas is not a gun you want to spend all of your inheritance on, the TL8 development worth importing is the quick detach mount for picatinny rails. In short, it's a device that enables you to quickly attach and detach attachments from your rifle by the mean of a clasp. Usually you need a screwdriver and some time to do so. I believe it cannot be produced locally because the mount must be able to hold 'zero' - alignment of sight's point of aim with weapon's point of shooting. Without proper 'zero', which happens when scope doesnt point in the right place, the gun fires not where you point. As such, an imported set of quick detach adapters allows the shooter to make his shot, spend a few ready maneuvers detaching the accessories off the musket and then running off/attaching them to a different gun/pocketting them and engaging in melee.
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01-09-2020, 06:45 AM | #17 | |
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An optical sight is useful on any weapon that, in GURPS terms, has Acc 2 or better, and where aiming for several seconds is realistic. At GURPS TL5, that means sharpshooters. Picatinny rail, or other interchangeable mounting systems, are useful when a shooter has a choice of multiple accessories to mount; making an optical sight detachable and re-attachable is always useful for preventing damage in handling. It's important that the detach/reattach system maintains the relative position of gun and sight very accurately, as otherwise you have to re-adjust the sight, which takes time and trial shots, and isn't practical in the middle of a battle. This need for precision is why optical sights did not become widely used until GURPS TL6. If the other side knows what a laser sight is, using them will have psychological value, even if the guns and fitting arrangements aren't precise enough for them to help with long-range shooting.
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01-09-2020, 07:37 AM | #20 | |
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A dueling pistol probably benefits from a laser sight. A sniper's rifle with a (possibly nightvision) scope is pretty nasty as long as it has some acc. With modern tech, it might be possible to design a cardboard cartridge you could fill with corned powder and a minnie ball that would significantly reduce reloading times on a muzzle loading caplock. This would be my goal if I was outfitting TL 4-5 troops. If you can import machined pipes you can make a pretty good breech loader out of them if that is not rejecting the premise. Combine with cardboard cartridges for a major gun tech upgrade. Chemical feed stocks for smokeless powder become interesting if you have that, as fire rate has increased enough that black powder fouling is a major issue. This is getting pretty close to outright bootstrapping to late TL5 though. For sideways thinking, you can import remote surveillance camera with servo mounts you can probably re-purpose one of the servo outputs to fire your firearm or (set off an explosive) remotely. |
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