Star Trek Campaigns: Prime Directive vs GURPS Space/Spaceships/Psionics 4e

[Ezra]

BLUF: Does the time saved reading 1 book as opposed to 3-4 justify the suboptimal templates/space combat provided in Prime Directive?

What I want to Run
I'm new to the GURPS system, but I want to start a science fiction campaign this year. I'm leaning towards setting the game in the Star Trek universe. I feel like this would save me a lot of worldbuilding since I have a finite amount of time to work on a campaign, and I'm working through the growing pains of a new system.

I'm a little conflicted about resources though. I own GURPS Space, Spaceships, and Spaceships 3 for 4th ed., but I also picked up Prime Directive. At the time, I assumed Prime Directive was a straight Star Trek setting source book. After the fact, I learned about the Star Fleet Universe vs Star Trek Universe legal fiasco.

Prime Directive Pros
I'm fine with that though. What I really wanted from the book were templates for some of the Star Trek races (which it has), descriptions of Star Trek hierarchy (which it also has, albeit with deviations from Star Trek canon), and ship statistics, and a basic space combat system (which it also provides). As far as I'm concerned, there's enough universe info available online to flesh out the rest of the Star Trek universe.

I also like the idea of space combat working as a sort of mini-game to complement the RPG. Steve Jackson's Sorcery! implements these kinds of mini games and I find they enhance the fun of an rpg.

Lastly, and this is a big plus, Prime Directive would save me the preparation time of reading 3-4 GURPS (Space, Spaceships, Spaceships 3, Ultratech, Psionics, etc.) books as opposed to one.

Cons
I've poked around the Internet, and some people say the racial templates are poorly designed and difficult to budget from a character-build perspective. Also, the officer templates are designed with the idea that characters will begin as low level cadets, rather than bridge officers (not what I had in mind). Lastly, I read that the phaser stats are also not good.

Lastly ...
How is GURPS Traveller? As far as I can tell, it's only available as a 3e product. Does it provide a better science fiction system though?

[Brandy]

My opinion:

An imperfect game that you'll actually run is better than a better game that you'll run "some day". Or, like I used to tell my team in the days before I was a high school teacher, "Done is better than perfect."

[binn05]

Originally Posted by Brandy

My opinion:

An imperfect game that you'll actually run is better than a better game that you'll run "some day". Or, like I used to tell my team in the days before I was a high school teacher, "Done is better than perfect."

I try to teach that to my students, that a poorly written text is better than no text, but the perfectionists prefer to miss deadlines than to give me a poorly written text...

[Ezra]

Originally Posted by Brandy

My opinion:

An imperfect game that you'll actually run is better than a better game that you'll run "some day". Or, like I used to tell my team in the days before I was a high school teacher, "Done is better than perfect."

That's a very good point.

[Refplace]

Originally Posted by Ezra

BLUF: Does the time saved reading 1 book as opposed to 3-4 justify the suboptimal templates/space combat provided in Prime Directive?


Lastly, and this is a big plus, Prime Directive would save me the preparation time of reading 3-4 GURPS (Space, Spaceships, Spaceships 3, Ultratech, Psionics, etc.) books as opposed to one.


Lastly ...
How is GURPS Traveller? As far as I can tell, it's only available as a 3e product. Does it provide a better science fiction system though?

Time saved is a matter of what you want and too subjective a question to really help with.
I like reading books, what I dont like is flipping through them during the game to answer a question. Thats a bonus of PDFs with the search function and SJG wonderful attention to indexes.

Space is a genre book designed to help you build a setting.
Spaceships gives a combat rules system and a quick method of building spaceships.
Ultratech is an equipment book but also helps with thoughts on how different technologies affect a setting.
The Psionics books are a powers system and setting info.
Traveler and Prime Directive are specific settings.

So the utility depends on what your looking for. If you have a setting you like other settings and ideas for making a setting are less useful. I still like them asI tend to run my own setting so can pick and choose elements from multiple settings.
Equipment books are handy if they fit the setting.

[rkbrown419]

You should understand from the beginning that GURPS Prime Directive (GPD) is a Star Fleet Universe game not strict Star Trek. Though both worlds are based on the original Star Trek TV series they diverged between Star Trek the animated Series and Star Trek the Motion Picture. Differences between the two include: Klingons don't have forehead ridges or charge into modern combat carrying melee weapons instead of disruptors and their crews include several "Subject Races." No Borg. No Farengi, although the Orion Pirate cartels have some similarities. Several interstellar powers not in the series such as the Kizinti (felinoids greatly altered and expanded from those included in a TAS episode) the Lyrans (another feline speicies) and Hydrans (the armed methane breathers) who are on the far side of Klingon space from the Federation, The Inter-Stellar Concordium (a multi species empire beyond Gorn and Romulan Space.
As to the con's you mentioned. I'm not sure what you mean by racial templates are difficult to budget and poorly designed. They are built to give abilities that emulate not just what's in the series but also several decades of SFU game fiction and older versions of Prime Directive. Point costs are what the writers felt was needed to fit those abilities not to fit a budget. As for the officer templates, yes they are designed to make a character an ensign. If you want to play a bridge officer buy more levels of rank and you might want to boost levels of skill depending on what their station is. Look at the professional certification requirements to decide what you need. This will probably mean you need to increase the overall point budget of your campaign which is appropriate if you're going to play people in charge of a 400 man crew as opposed to low rank officers.

[Ezra]

Originally Posted by rkbrown419

Differences between the two include: Klingons don't have forehead ridges or charge into modern combat carrying melee weapons instead of disruptors and their crews include several "Subject Races." No Borg. No Farengi, although the Orion Pirate cartels have some similarities. Several interstellar powers not in the series such as the Kizinti (felinoids greatly altered and expanded from those included in a TAS episode) the Lyrans (another feline speicies) and Hydrans (the armed methane breathers) who are on the far side of Klingon space from the Federation, The Inter-Stellar Concordium (a multi species empire beyond Gorn and Romulan Space.

This is good to know. Thank you!

I think you're right; I'll need to raise the point buy.

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by Ezra

This is good to know. Thank you!

I think you're right; I'll need to raise the point buy.

I did a thread on this board about stating Captain Kirk. That should give you ideas about how many points are needed.

[Gold & Appel Inc]

My group came to Prime Directive pretty much the same way: A fairly inexperienced GM wanted to run a Star Trek game with minimal prep and thought the PD books were more straight Trek than they are. He ended up treating it like a buffet, picking out the ideas we all liked and leaving the rest up to our collective knowledge of the tv/movie series. I ended up re-writing a lot of the crunch in the PD books for our game, including all the weapon stats and a few of the templates (EG: Andorians), to match up with my perception of Trek chrome, but you could run PD as-is if you wanted to.

Phasers are the easiest conversion of all: Don't get hit with a phaser. If your defense, cover, etc fails you're stunned if they wanted to stun you, disintegrated if they wanted to disintegrate you, etc. Buy up your Luck, not your Hard to Kill, if you want to be hard to kill once the shooting starts is the ethos du jour. True to the source, of course, the decision to shoot, and why, and drama-soaked debates about it between the command staff, took up way more screen time and plot weight than the shooting itself (except when everybody involved was using blasters or even more primitive gear for whatever IC reason, usually *muttermutterPrimeDirective* and or *handwaveLowProfileMissionhandwave*, the OOC reason being that my group enjoys shoot-outs, naturally). :]

[Captain Joy]

• GURPS Basic Set is necessary, unless you're minimizing costs and going pure GURPS Prime Directive.
• GURPS Prime Directive was a good starting point for templates and what-not, but now I almost never reference it.
• GURPS Space is useful for star system and planet generation, and the occasional rule for dealing with different gravities and atmospheres.
• GURPS Spaceships combat rules are good for giving every body something to do during a ship battle, but I've never used it to build ships.
• GURPS Psionics Powers is indispensable if psionics will be a part of your campaign.
• GURPS Ultra Tech is useful, as it is in any ultra tech setting.
• my GURPS Star Trek webpage is amazing and should be used by anybody running an original series Star Trek campaign, but I may be biased.