04-07-2017, 09:27 AM | #31 | ||
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For the next adventure, I'm specifically looking for the polity that Col. Ortiz (as per background in this post) would have conspired with to apply for asylum for him and his men, who'd be deserters at that point, and their families. He'd need help getting him and his men out of Mexico and their families out of the US. And he'd have reason to suspect they were under surveillance in the US, either by a super-secret Homeland Security led task force or an illegal conspiracy with members belonging to several agencies under the DHS, as well as other organisations. Given Col. Ortiz professional background, he'd have the best contacts within military Special Mission Units, military intelligence and other intelligence organisations of countries within the operations area of US SOCOM South and the 7th SFG (A), i.e. Central and South America and the Carribbean. Quote:
You know, standard government bureaucracy stuff, especially when anything embarrassing can be hidden by slapping Top Secret - Special Compartmentized Intelligence on it. The experimented ended after two test subjects who were in custody awaiting court martial escaped, killing three people. Their crimes didn't have anything to do with the experiment, but a senior scientist had used his influence at DARPA, with certain US Army official and at the DoD to delay the proceedings and allow them to be in custody in Project Jade Serenity facilities, in order not to lose the last few weeks of trial data. Absent a cover-up, there would probably have been a full investigation, implicating several officers from Captain up to Major General in potentialy illegal acts, not to mention revealing in the media that the US Army was conducting experiments on people of the sort that the media would blow up into a huge deal. Eh, actually, a proper investigation would probably reveal that most of the science behind the drugs came from experiments on prisoners and mental patients, not all of whom were capable of giving valid consent. And that this wasn't 'ancient' history like MKULTRA or the Tuskegee Study, but continued into the 90s and involved a lot of people still part of the DoD or the US Army, not to mention most of the scientists on Project Jade Serenity. Some of whom, under a Dr. Edward Vanderbert, clearly had been falsifying records and taking advantage of institutionalised secrecy to get away with frankly shocking abuses. All of which would reflect on those legally responsible, even when they had been deceived themselves. A lot of people also took part in the cover-up for the good of the Army or the country, even if they hadn't personally anything to lose, to avoid having their institutions suffer a similar loss of public trust as the CIA did in the 70s. In my experience, if they survive long enough, most institutions fundamentally exist to preserve and protect themselves from any negative consequence, regardless of what the original purpose was.
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04-07-2017, 09:56 AM | #33 | |
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Also, plenty of countries do not have formal extradition treaty with the US, but would be unwilling to provide logistical support and either false papers or expedidated citizenship to deserters from the US Army who were accused of other serious crimes. There were plenty of nation states without extradition treaties with the US who nevertheless did not volunteer safe haven and citizenship to Edward Snowden, let alone were prepared to be mount an operation to help him reach their country. Or to Julian Assenge, for that matter. By contrast, an extradition treaty might not prevent accepting Col. Ortiz, his men and their families, if the treaty was such that the country could argue that it did not apply to them or they fell under some exception. Say, if they argued that the charges were political, the result of the US having committed crimes against the former test subjects and the attempt to cover that up. But, as noted above, I don't really know which polities in Central and South America or the Carribbean would be willing to do this. The potential reward is pretty good, if they have been provided with enough evidence to believe in it, and they would get good press with any anti-US factions, but I get the impression that pretty much any nation state in the Americas would lose a lot if relations with the US went as bad as US-Cuba relations for the latter half of the 20th century. Economically for any country and in terms of security support, direct and indirect military subsidies, etc. for many of them. Which would be the best candidates and why? I realise that China, Cuba, Russia and Venezuela are pretty plausible, but I'm wondering if Col. Ortiz could stomach going there. My character* was in regular contact with him until 2011 and he has always been a law-abiding patriot. Even if he felt betrayed by the US, he'd probably prefer to turn to a neutral country to actually aiding and abetting someone he'd regard as an actual enemy. Also, he does not have a high opinion of dictators with poor human rights records. *I'm a player in the campaign, with additional duties of an Assistant GM for Research and Worldbuilding, as well as GURPS Rules Compliance.
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04-07-2017, 10:45 AM | #34 |
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Well, here's some options from this business insider article I found.
Brazil, Switzerland and France have all made a fuss about extradition in the past, but being branded a terrorist might be more of a big deal than merely being a murderer or tax evader. Ecuador is currently protecting Assange, so they're plausible too. Iceland is plausible given they offered to protect Assange and Bobby Fischer, as well as that talk about Snowden last year. |
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There is also just hoofing it to say Brazil after building up a set of false papers while on the lam in Mexico. |
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04-07-2017, 12:19 PM | #36 | |
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More probably, especially in China or Russia, any deal would effectively involve lifetime imprisonment at a government research facility, possibly with a gilded cage if they liked him. He and his men are mobile cultures of what might be the most remarkable pharmacological discoveries in history, but also might be a biological weapon that wipes out humanity. Reverse-engineering the process that resulted in useful biological changes is orders of magnitude more practical if you have access to multiple former test subjects, the more, the better. The same applies to researching the risks, learning to guard against them and preventing them. If a nation state actually has evidence, sufficient to convince the upper echelon of power there, of how greatly the former test subjects can violate what were previously thought to be scientific norms, it's very possible that they'd rate investigating this as their top R&D goal. It might just as easily be seen as a matter of public health as military biotechnology. Not to mention that if certain aspects of the changes could be isolated, I imagine that quite a lot of powerful politicians, billionaires or generals would welcome being young, physically fit and in perfect health at least into their sixties. Cherry Bell is 36 years of age and she looks 19. She never gets sick and she'll easily bounce back from any minor injury, without much in the way of pain or complications. She can casually and without any formal training do stuff that Olympic gymnasts train for months to attempt. She doesn't like to run, but would probably meet the Olympic minimums at any distance given a day to teach her the rules. And a few weeks of self-defence training for fun 18 years ago are enough to make her capable of defeating any female UFC fighter of her weight class. Raul Vargas is in his sixties and it's been 17 years since he had to train regularly. And the stories we hear about him indicate that he retains most or all of his Special Forces skills. Also, he's stronger, faster, healtier and more virile than any living man, it seems. That is the sort of drug treatment every aging generalissmo or Presidente Supremo for Life will want. I doubt he'd trust he was safe in any country where he hadn't gotten guarantees of safe conduct. But Brazil is an interesting possibility, as they are a rich and powerful nation that have the potential to be a local power. If they developed drugs based on Project Jade Serenity ahead of everyone else, it could enhance their prestige and actual power quite a bit, especially if they could share their research with carefully chosen strategic partners.
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I was going to suggest Honduras when I read the above, then I read more about the country and decided against it.
If I understand the situation correctly, the country or countries you're looking for should have a reasonable technological base, not be way up **** creek economy wise. Preferably be in South or Central America. And their response when the US says 'Jump!' shouldn't be 'How high?' That about sum it up? |
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And if a Super Spec Ops operator can't end up on top in Brazil (in some fashion) he ain't gonna make it anywhere else that's got that much going on for it. |
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04-07-2017, 06:32 PM | #39 | |
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As a player, I won't know what the GM eventually decides, so I have to research a wide field of possibilities. I'd therefore like to encourage a wide field of speculation. My character will want to believe that Col. Ortiz is still fundamentally decent and that his plan is a real-world equivalent of Professor Xavier's School for Gifted Younsters. So it would be good to get a few ideas for places he could seek asylum and perhaps secure terms for his men and any other altered individuals who manage to flee there that would allow them some measure of freedom, dignity and self-determination. On the other hand, there is always the possibility that Col. Ortiz has been warped in some way by side-effects of Project Jade Serenity and is no longer remotely like the man my character knew. Or perhaps is simply deluded. But in any case, I'd like ideas for countries where they'd consider taking him in, promise him and his men all kinds of things, but where our characters could see that the eventual end results would be terrible in some way. Obviously, anything in between would also be good. My personal preference, as I told the GM, would be for there to be no easy answers. People with admirable characteristics can exist in more than one faction and even though the goals of the factions may be incompatible, the people may like each other. And factions that seem 'evil' at a glance may be acting ruthlessly to prevent much worse things, just as factions with high-minded ethical ideas may be risking catastrophe. So neither me nor my character knows whether Onyx Rain, Col. Ortiz and his men or some other group or faction are the 'good guys'. Of course, Raul Vargas and whoever elects to throw in his lot with him is probably going to be unambigiously nasty. Vargas and his followers are all about using their powers to seize wealth and power. Vargas was a callous grade-A toolshed before he had superpowers and there is every reason to believe that he has grown even worse.
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Note that Col. Ortiz and anyone he can convince to come with him is deserting and fleeing in 2017, using a mission in Mexico designed to contact Vargas and convince him to turn himself in as the opportunity to run. Vargas had been a fugitive since the year 2000. Vargas used to be the second in command of the ODA that most of the men whom Ortiz now command came from, but while they stayed in the Army, Vargas was a criminal on the run. Col. Ortiz will offer Vargas the chance to come with them, but it's very unlikely that Vargas will accept. Quote:
By now, Vargas controls a powerful splinter group of Knights Templars who act as enforcers to the Sinaloa cartel. He's nowhere near as rich or powerful as El Chapo, El Mayo, Caro Quintero, El Mencho, Felix, Fuentes or Beltran Leyva are/used to be, but he may be more feared than any of them in his stomping grounds. And, obviously, he's aiming higher than leader of a band of mercenaries. Vargas knows well enough that when kings have grown so decadent that they have to rely on mercenaries to bring fire and sword to their enemies, there is often a chance for a powerful mercenary to make himself a king.
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