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Old 09-13-2014, 09:13 PM   #11
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Is "blue-eyed" a Swiss idiom for "naive"?
I know it as something like that in the US, usually as a "blue-eyed innocent". I recognized it immediately, FWIW.

Of course as a geek, my fist thought was that in Tsolyanu it means Social Stigma (Cursed of Avanthe) (-5).
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Old 09-13-2014, 09:29 PM   #12
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I know it as something like that in the US, usually as a "blue-eyed innocent".
Interesting. I might have said "wide-eyed innocent". The joy of language.

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Of course as a geek, my fist thought was that in Tsolyanu it means Social Stigma (Cursed of Avanthe) (-5).
Or that you've channeled all the blue luxin you're going to be able to in this lifetime. Or just eat a lot of melange.
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Old 09-13-2014, 10:33 PM   #13
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Old 09-13-2014, 11:59 PM   #14
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It's a Danish idiom, but rather archaic. Probably it's a standard European (or Germanic) thing, and may be more current in Switzerland than in Denmark. It still made perfect sense to me, though.

I think it's a reference to babies (apparently?) being born with blue eyes regardless of what their later eye colour will develop into (or is that only Caucasian babies?).
Just so.

Babies are blue eyed and thus blue-eyed-ness is perceived as a naive and childish thing to be.

Of course, not all blue-eyed people are naive, any more than Tyrion Lannister wears motley. But that's the idiom.
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Old 09-14-2014, 01:33 AM   #15
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Is "blue-eyed" a Swiss idiom for "naive"?
It's actually a Standard German synonym for "naive" that most native speakers would use without even thinking twice about the literal mean, even though it can also mean that. Here's the explanation. Of course such things don't translate well.

Back to the topic: I think the quintessential part is Gullibility with a healthy dash of Xenophilia. "Oh, you're a secret policeman! That's fascinating. I bet you catch a lot of evil guys who want to bring down the free country of Iran." Combine that with a few quirk-level Delusions and a marked lack of Current Affairs and possibly History and Area Knowledge and you got your "blue-eyed" boy.
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Old 09-14-2014, 04:42 AM   #16
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Thanks for the language lesson. So, no extra Disadvantages we have to hunt for.
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Old 09-14-2014, 07:38 AM   #17
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Thank you all for your input! The creative juices are flowing again! And yes, blue-eyed was just another word for a young, wet-behind-the-ears, green adventurer...

Cheers!

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Old 09-14-2014, 07:47 AM   #18
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"Not dry behind the ears (yet)" is Danish idiom too, and seems to me to be somewhat less archaic than "blue-eyed".

But blue-eyed has stronger connonations of being naive, whereas "wet" refers to youth and perhaps also lack of life experience. So not quite the same, although clearly related.
And if anyone was interested, this holds more or less in Swedish as well - although I don't think "blue-eyed" sounds very archaic.
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I know it as something like that in the US, usually as a "blue-eyed innocent". I recognized it immediately, FWIW.

Of course as a geek, my fist thought was that in Tsolyanu it means Social Stigma (Cursed of Avanthe) (-5).
Where as I instantly associated it with a white dragon. This is much simpler. Is there a specific total we are shooting for with Disadvantages and if so, have we reached it yet? I mean even in a "the character has what it has" build, sometimes a concept calls for a limit so that the character isn't too helpless. ;)

Oh, did we get Reluctant Killer and possibly Combat Paralysis? If it doesn't fit the concept it doesn't fit, but it seems pretty reasonable that the innocent would have a harder time dealing with such things than the more experienced.
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