American Revolution

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by Johnny1A.2

To get back on thread track, another possibility for this era would be what if Aaron Burr's conspiracy had succeeded, for one definition or another of success? Historically, we don't actually know if there even was a conspiracy, certainly Burr's treason trial was farcical on several levels.

But for a game, if it turned out that the allegations were true and Burr succeeded in creating a new state out of Spanish territory, several possibilities open up.

Another AH possibility, or one a time traveler could make happen, would be saving Hamilton's life in that duel. If Hamilton had lived, he might conceivably have gone to be president, which would be a significant change in early American history.

Here's another one. What about Benedict's defection? What could be done about that? For instance suppose the thieves, uh, "guerillas" decide not to turn honest and just cut Andre's throat, take his money and go get drunk? Probably not likely if they knew what they had. Though even then, they might decide it is not worth it (it is probable Tallmadge wouldn't just hang the worthless lot of them, because he needs street cred to get more walk-ins but it is kind of putting one's head in the lion's mouth).

Or what if they try to ransom Andre and his message back to the British? Though here there is the same problem, but at least they have a hostage the British are going to be careful about.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Johnny1A.2

. If Hamilton had lived, he might conceivably have gone to be president, which would be a significant change in early American history.

ISTR that Hamilton was born in Bermuda. Wouldn't that make him ineligable under the "foreign birth" clause? I also may recall that said clause on Presidential eligability was put in the Constitution with him as the intended target.

[Varyon]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

ISTR that Hamilton was born in Bermuda. Wouldn't that make him ineligable under the "foreign birth" clause? I also may recall that said clause on Presidential eligability was put in the Constitution with him as the intended target.

Wasn’t there a specific exception for those who were present at the time of founding, seeing as it’s impossible to be born in a nation that didn’t exist when you were born?

[Astromancer]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

ISTR that Hamilton was born in Bermuda. Wouldn't that make him ineligible under the "foreign birth" clause? I also may recall that said clause on Presidential eligibility was put in the Constitution with him as the intended target.

No, both Hamilton and Paine were citizens at the time of the adoption of the US constitution and were specifically eligible for the office. Anyone who was a citizen at the adoption of the US constitution was eligible.

[Fred Brackin]

Originally Posted by Varyon

Wasn’t there a specific exception for those who were present at the time of founding, seeing as it’s impossible to be born in a nation that didn’t exist when you were born?

It does say this....

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

Even taking the "United States" to mean one of the States rather than the Nation the document was creating you still might need a formal grant of Citizenship in one of those States if you weren't born there.

[Phantasm]

Originally Posted by Fred Brackin

It does say this....

"No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;"

Even taking the "United States" to mean one of the States rather than the Nation the document was creating you still might need a formal grant of Citizenship in one of those States if you weren't born there.

And interesting to note that prior to the constitution's ratification, Maryland's legislature passed a resolution granting "natural born citizen" status to Marquis de Lafeyette and "all his descendants", which IIRC the SCOTUS (or maybe just one of the circuit courts?) upheld as being grandfathered in to the US as a whole when a descendant claim US citizenship for some reason or other....

[dcarson]

Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution

If you are running a campaign with weird stuff this could mean a Highlander immortal or elf or such can qualify.

[jason taylor]

Originally Posted by dcarson

If you are running a campaign with weird stuff this could mean a Highlander immortal or elf or such can qualify.

Citizenship is not defined by the quality of humanness except insofar as the existence of non-human intelligence is only speculative as of yet.

[dcarson]

Originally Posted by jason taylor

Citizenship is not defined by the quality of humanness except insofar as the existence of non-human intelligence is only speculative as of yet.

I was talking about the living in the USA at the time the Constitution was adopted part. They might have been born elsewhere and lived in another country for the last century but still qualify to run for president.

[lugaid]

Originally Posted by dcarson

I was talking about the living in the USA at the time the Constitution was adopted part. They might have been born elsewhere and lived in another country for the last century but still qualify to run for president.

Sure. Good luck proving it, though.