Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural...

Pragmatic · 03-17-2011, 11:46 PM

(Not going to suddenly start playing IN, or buying IN, just figured I'd find people willing to talk about it here...)

In Supernatural, characters are always sacrificing their souls--with open eyes and full knowledge--to save each other's lives.

Made me wonder: is there a demon who's got a Word that emphasizes "best of intentions"? They'd be completely honest about the consequences of the deals they're making, letting desperate people damn themselves to hell...

Would be an interesting villain. They are willing to help you out, to help you save the day and be a hero, and make sure that everyone lives happily ever after... all for the price of your soul...

Rocket Man · 03-18-2011, 12:58 AM

Sounds like a Lilim of Fate, and a fairly senior one at that. An expert at striking just the right deal for exactly what you Need -- even if what you Need is something outwardly good or worthy -- but always with one eye on the slip that'll send you sliding into the darkness.

Jason · 03-18-2011, 12:58 AM

Sure, I could see that. As in, "The Road to Hell is Paved With...." I imagine he'd work for Kronos, Prince of Fate (who's concerned with leading people to Hell), or Asmodeus, Prince of the Game (whose dealmakers, if I recall the term, are charged with actually drawing up the contracts for people's souls). Could make a fun NPC in a campaign with human PCs in particular, or a foil for angels in a campaign in which PCs fight with demons over specific humans' souls. I may use that myself, considering how I find it tough to actually come up with adventures in which humans play any relevant role other than nameless and clueless NPCs...

tHEhERETIC · 03-21-2011, 07:06 AM

Sadly, I don't have time right now to sift through my copy of season 5...damned certification classes. But remind me..what was that quote Dean said about selling their souls at Wal-Mart prices?

And who, exactly, showed up at the crossroads to make deals? It always seemed to be a lean young woman vessel, but were those a)totally different demons, b)the same one in a vessel, c)different ones serving the same boss?

a) would suggest that contracts for souls are a common practice, which makes sense given human greed. In the Winchesters' case though there's be a specialization. A batch of Lilim of Fate, maybe.

b) I think it's cool how Supernatural handles vessels. (I also think it's amazingly cool how they handle bindings and exorcisms, but I digress.) If she's the same one she's probably a senior demon who's gunning for the Word of Good Intentions or of Exploitation, maybe hoping to wrest it away from someone else.

c) Or maybe the demon of Good Intentions or Exploitation is sending a cadre of minions. Or maybe the demon of Unequal Treaties finds his power slipping away, and is sending minions to drift his word into something more useful. Or maybe it's Fate himself, enjoying the brothers' misery in their impossible situation.

Or maybe it's Chuck, and he's just a sadist.

Pragmatic · 03-23-2011, 01:29 AM

I'm currently watching season 4. Just finished the B&W "classic movie monsters" episode and the "fear plague" episode. (Looks like I'm up to S04E06. Good thing my girlfriend has all the seasons currently available--it's fun to share DVDs back and forth! :-P)

So haven't a clue.

03-17-2011, 11:46 PM	#1
Pragmatic Ceci n'est pas une tag. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, WA (Portland Metro)	Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural... (Not going to suddenly start playing IN, or buying IN, just figured I'd find people willing to talk about it here...) In Supernatural, characters are always sacrificing their souls--with open eyes and full knowledge--to save each other's lives. Made me wonder: is there a demon who's got a Word that emphasizes "best of intentions"? They'd be completely honest about the consequences of the deals they're making, letting desperate people damn themselves to hell... Would be an interesting villain. They are willing to help you out, to help you save the day and be a hero, and make sure that everyone lives happily ever after... all for the price of your soul...

03-18-2011, 12:58 AM	#2
Rocket Man Petitioner: Word of IN Filk Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Longmont, CO	Re: Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural... Sounds like a Lilim of Fate, and a fairly senior one at that. An expert at striking just the right deal for exactly what you Need -- even if what you Need is something outwardly good or worthy -- but always with one eye on the slip that'll send you sliding into the darkness. __________________ “It's not railroading if you offer the PCs tickets and they stampede to the box office, waving their money. Metaphorically speaking” --Elizabeth McCoy, In Nomine Line Editor Author: "What Doesn't Kill Me Makes Me Stronger"

03-18-2011, 12:58 AM	#3
Jason Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Boston, MA	Re: Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural... Sure, I could see that. As in, "The Road to Hell is Paved With...." I imagine he'd work for Kronos, Prince of Fate (who's concerned with leading people to Hell), or Asmodeus, Prince of the Game (whose dealmakers, if I recall the term, are charged with actually drawing up the contracts for people's souls). Could make a fun NPC in a campaign with human PCs in particular, or a foil for angels in a campaign in which PCs fight with demons over specific humans' souls. I may use that myself, considering how I find it tough to actually come up with adventures in which humans play any relevant role other than nameless and clueless NPCs...

03-21-2011, 07:06 AM	#4
tHEhERETIC MIB Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Life imitates art--I'm in Pohang	Re: Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural... Sadly, I don't have time right now to sift through my copy of season 5...damned certification classes. But remind me..what was that quote Dean said about selling their souls at Wal-Mart prices? And who, exactly, showed up at the crossroads to make deals? It always seemed to be a lean young woman vessel, but were those a)totally different demons, b)the same one in a vessel, c)different ones serving the same boss? a) would suggest that contracts for souls are a common practice, which makes sense given human greed. In the Winchesters' case though there's be a specialization. A batch of Lilim of Fate, maybe. b) I think it's cool how Supernatural handles vessels. (I also think it's amazingly cool how they handle bindings and exorcisms, but I digress.) If she's the same one she's probably a senior demon who's gunning for the Word of Good Intentions or of Exploitation, maybe hoping to wrest it away from someone else. c) Or maybe the demon of Good Intentions or Exploitation is sending a cadre of minions. Or maybe the demon of Unequal Treaties finds his power slipping away, and is sending minions to drift his word into something more useful. Or maybe it's Fate himself, enjoying the brothers' misery in their impossible situation. Or maybe it's Chuck, and he's just a sadist. __________________ Criminy...these two have enough issues, they can sell subscriptions! (ladyarcana55, in a PM)

03-23-2011, 01:29 AM	#5
Pragmatic Ceci n'est pas une tag. Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Vancouver, WA (Portland Metro)	Re: Something that occurred to me while watching Supernatural... I'm currently watching season 4. Just finished the B&W "classic movie monsters" episode and the "fear plague" episode. (Looks like I'm up to S04E06. Good thing my girlfriend has all the seasons currently available--it's fun to share DVDs back and forth! :-P) So haven't a clue.