striking/lifting ST and weapons

[sir_pudding]

This should be pretty obvious since many crew served weapons are man portable. I carried the M253 mortar cannon (for the M252 81mm mortar system) more times then I care to remember, but it would be physically impossible for me to hold a weapon which drives itself up to a half meter into the ground when fired.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

This should be pretty obvious since many crew served weapons are man portable. I carried the M252 mortar cannon more times then I care to remember, but it would be physically impossible for me to hold a weapon which drives itself up to a half meter into the ground when fired.

Doing math, it appears to be a 4.5 kg shell at 225 m/s for a total of 1,012 N*s. The cannon is 16 kg so it propels itself backwards at 63m/s. If you can stop it in 16 milliseconds it will only move by half a meter backwards. This only requires a force of 64 kN or about 14,000 lb.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Anthony

Doing math, it appears to be a 4.5 kg shell at 225 m/s for a total of 1,012 N*s. The cannon is 16 kg so it propels itself backwards at 63m/s. If you can stop it in 16 milliseconds it will only move by half a meter backwards. This only requires a force of 64 kN or about 14,000 lb.

I am not sure what you are saying here. Surely you agree that a human is very unlikely to be able to hold onto something with a mass of 16kg accelerating at 63/m/s/s.

[AlexanderHowl]

64 kN is orders of magnitude greater than anything remotely human (average human is more like 640 N). The required ST would probably be around ST 100.

[Anthony]

Originally Posted by sir_pudding

I am not sure what you are saying here. Surely you agree that a human is very unlikely to be able to hold onto something with a mass of 16kg accelerating at 63/m/s/s.

I probably should have put quotes around 'only' or something.

[sir_pudding]

Originally Posted by Hellboy

If Striking ST had any influence on gunfire I imagine it might be with withstanding recoil for subsequent shots but not influencing the first.

Controlability is just as important for the first shot for any weapon that has a barrel.

[Tomsdad]

IMO the MinST for melee weapons which represents keeping control of a melee weapon as you move it about as part of attacking and defending in melee is different enough from what the MinST for firing guns or drawing bows represents, to not crossover. Especially as Lifting ST and Striking ST are specialisms that are themselves based off the same root stat ST. So barring extreme differentiation between the two (that itself infers an extreme situation and thus a a very particular one) they are pretty similar in terms of value anyway.