01-21-2013, 06:43 PM | #41 |
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The Ring can't (as a general thing) make you do anything, or at least not until you're so totally corrupted and under its control that your will is gone anyway. Smeagol didn't have to have done anything in particular (yet) to have been harboring a lot of evil thoughts and impulses and hidden nastiness inside him. Actions matter, and so do thoughts.
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01-21-2013, 06:53 PM | #42 | |
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Now, I grant that if you were in a watering hole full of thieves and low-life, a glimpse of the Ring might well set off violence rapidly, but even then there would still be choice. The fact that Smeagol was affected so extremely, and so quickly, implies that there was already a lot of corruption there before he ever saw the Ring. Sure, the RIng would eventually make a murderer of anyone, but in under 60 seconds?! |
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01-21-2013, 06:55 PM | #43 | |
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01-21-2013, 07:56 PM | #44 | |
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Without the context given to actions by motive and intent, actions have no moral value. |
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01-21-2013, 08:31 PM | #45 | |
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Thoughts by themselves are not crimes or immoral. I can fantasize about all sorts of destructive acts without being bad at all. Everyone thinks things that would be horrible if physically reproduced.
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01-21-2013, 08:47 PM | #47 | |
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I guess I kept translating evil into criminally sane. I'm sorry for that. Involuntary manslaughter exists for those that kill people but didn't mean to. If actions alone weren't criminal, then there would be no concept as that.
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01-21-2013, 09:04 PM | #48 |
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Sure there would. Involuntary manslaughter covers situations where you intended to do something criminal or were being reckless and it caused a death. And note that the only difference in action between manslaughter and murder is the accused's ability to convince the court system that they had no intent. (Apparent) thought makes the difference between the two crimes. By contrast, if actions alone were criminal there would be no such concept as justifiable homicide much less unfortunate accidents with nobody to blame.
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01-21-2013, 09:26 PM | #49 | |
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01-22-2013, 01:38 AM | #50 | |
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Modern American law actually recognizes a similar concept: a crime typically requires both a "guilty mind" and a "guilty act." Without the mental intent (mens rea), you don't have criminal liability.
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