01-10-2013, 10:49 AM | #1 |
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When to discard during combat
Specifically, when to put a monster card that has been defeated with a card or class ability into the discard pile.
A player Pollymorphs King Tut, and another player interferes with the combat by Wandering in the Net Troll. While King Tut is no longer in the combat, is it put into the discard pile immediately after Pollymorph is played, or do you wait until the combat is concluded? I know that 99.9% of the time, it will not matter. I just want to know for when that .1% situation does come up. |
01-10-2013, 11:23 AM | #2 |
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01-10-2013, 12:37 PM | #3 | ||
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Re: When to discard during combat
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Right. you can find that repeated in the FAQ as well. Also there is this: Quote:
If one shots are used by both sides, just to have the monster Pollymorphed at the end, all of the one shot items would still be active if another monster is Wandered in.* In contrast, once a Monster is eliminated, it no longer has any impact on any remaining combat. Also, any enhancers on the eliminated creature would also have no effect on the remaining combat. Due to that difference, I was hoping to find an official ruling. ------------------------ *Off topic but related questions: If your helper had played Potion of Halitosis, and you then wandered in Floating Nose on yourself, the potion would still auto kill the Floating Nose, correct? How about if an interfering Munchkin played Potion of Halitosis to boost a monster, would it still cause the Floating Nose to be auto killed? |
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01-10-2013, 12:50 PM | #4 | |
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Re: When to discard during combat
I'm also interested in the ruling as I can remember being told by Munchkinman that even during combat, discarding is discarding. I can't find the post, unfortunately, but this is one of those things I've never been fully sure about.
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Unfortunately, that view does lead to difficulties when you use cards that return cards used during the combat to the owner's hands. You have to start removing cards from the discard pile and remembering which ones were played during the current combat, but it's the only way to follow MM's rulings on the matter.
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01-10-2013, 01:13 PM | #5 |
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Re: When to discard during combat
That is referring to cards that tell you to discard. For instance, a Fighter discards a card to get a combat bonus.
Come to think of it, doesn't Pollymorph specifically say to "discard" the monster? If so, you would immediately discard it, not wait for the end of the battle. |
01-10-2013, 01:26 PM | #6 | ||
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01-10-2013, 01:46 PM | #7 |
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Re: When to discard during combat
Other rulings have stated that you don't get any treasure unless you win the combat, even if a monster had been defeated some other way; that's why I thought the monster would not be discarded until the end. I'd just put it off to the side and not count it towards the remaining monsters' combat strength, then discard it at the end of combat. It makes sense to go ahead and discard the Pollymorph Potion, though.
(I'm going from memory, as I don't have the card in front of me at the moment) |
01-10-2013, 01:58 PM | #8 |
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Re: When to discard during combat
That certainly makes it easier to keep track of things, but it does have an effect on the combat. What if somebody plays a card that relies on the top monster in the discards before the combat ends? For example, Curse! Dying Curse. If this is played during a combat where a monster has already been automatically defeated, we need to know if said monster is already in the discard pile or not, as it will be the topmost one.
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01-10-2013, 02:06 PM | #9 |
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Re: When to discard during combat
The official answer is that cards that no longer affect the combat, such as Pollymorphed monsters, are discarded immediately, while cards that still do affect the combat, such as one-shots, stay until the combat is over.
I eagerly* await the onslaught of "but this causes timing problems!" responses I am certain to get. * Perhaps not so eagerly.
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01-10-2013, 02:27 PM | #10 |
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Re: When to discard during combat
It seems straight forward to me, Andrew and I have no arguments. I certainly don't have any issue with the timing. It just adds a minor bit of bookkeeping, remembering which discarded cards were played during the combat in case a return the cards to owners' hands comes up, and remembering how many instances of a monster have been present (to calculate Treasure) if a defeated monster card is drawn from the discards and then added back into the same combat which it had already been discarded from.
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