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Old 01-09-2021, 01:32 PM   #5311
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In Homeline history, the Ottoman State declined in the 18th century as improved maritime technology took world trade around Africa and left southwest Asia marginal to the main world trade systems. However, in this Q6 low manna world, a scholar who was a close friend of the sultan realized the problem early. This scholar, who dies in a fire as an infant in most worlds, took to the serious study of the West in the 1520s. Realizing that the Europeans were innovating in ships and navigation and that they already routinely sailed around Africa, he foresaw the threat to the Dar-al-Islam.

At first, it was only his patronage by Suleiman that got the scholar a hearing at all. Many of the Ulama called for the scholar to be strangled, and most others, following the traditional, in this period, Islamic disdain for knowledge of Europe, simply ignored the scholar. But over time he was heard.

The solution to the problem the scholar proposed to the threat Europe posed to the prosperity of the Dar-al-Islam was to build a canal from the Nile to Suez, like those known to have been used by the Ancient Egyptians. By 1578, in the fourth year of the reign of Murad III, the canal was open for trade.

The local year is 1741, the Sublime Porte is informed that once again, Europe is involved in a vast general War. The plan is simple, offer to ally with one side, attack their foes, and when one group of Europeans is defeated, attack the others.

Basically, a military Swashbuckler campaign with interestingly altered threats and goals. The Turks will most likely choose France as their ally because this lets them attack both Austria and Russia. The French alliance with Spain would be the only issue.

This world could be run forward to the Napoleonic period and the Ottomans, who would be far stronger than in Homeline history, could be an interesting wildcard. If the Ottoman state industrializes in the early 19th century then when the competition for empire starts in the mid 19th century the Ottomans will compete with Russia for Central Asia and with France and Britain for Africa. This would be a far more complex and extravagant Great Game.
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Old 01-11-2021, 05:03 PM   #5312
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Königin Charlotte Iselin

In most worlds, the Chatham Islands are a minor group of islands with a total territory not much larger than Luxembourg, laying roughly 500 miles east of Christchurch. But in this Q6 low mana parallel the eastern end of Zealandia has a group of islands with an area larger than Ireland, in this world, they were named for Queen Charlotte, the Queen Charlotte Islands.

Soon after Britain began to encourage the settlement of New Zealand A committee from the Kingdom of Hanover visited the Prince Regent and asked for the right to settle people from Hanover on the Queen Charlotte Islands.

As no one in England thought much about the Queen Charlotte Islands, (they were assumed to be more like the Faroes than not) so the Prince Regent said yes and the British government made the Queen Charlotte Islands a responsibility of the government of Hanover. Twenty-two years later when Victoria ascended to the throne of Britain, Hanover, which had strict laws forbidding a female monarch, took Ernest Augustus, one of Victoria's Uncles for its king. And the Queen Charlotte Islands went with Hanover.

By 1837, the town of Sudhafen was around 18 years old and thriving, Because of its location, the Queen Charlotte Islands were a little warmer than the south island of New Zealand. That, along with the gently rolling hills and board valleys, with rich soils and regular rains, made the Queen Charlotte Islands slightly richer farmland than New Zealand. Soon Sudhafen was joined by Rosenstadt, Erleford, Neuebrücke, and
Schulstadt. In 1866, when Hanover was annexed by Prussia the Königin Charlotte Iselin were a prosperous thriving colony.

Now the local year is 1912, the government in Wellington has heard that the naval base in Walhaus Bucht now has submarines. London wants this made clear. Meanwhile, many people in the Königin Charlotte Iselin have no love of the distant Kaiser, they see no use for the snobbish Prussian nobles sent to rule them. They chafe under a government that doesn't even allow them to vote for local offices, all Mayors are appointees sent from Germany. They think they'd do better to follow the example of George Washington than Bismark.

Basically, a multilayered game of espionage. The New Zealanders, the Konigin Charlotte Inselbewohner, the British, and the Germans, as different sides in a game that London and Berlin think has only two sides.

Centrum, always worried about any "British Empire," will be interested in this conflict. Homeline will want to know what they're interested in in the Antipods.
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Old 01-11-2021, 06:21 PM   #5313
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This will stop the 1835 invasion by the Māori from the north island of New Zealand that killed or enslaved the native Moriori. The Germans tended to treat the locals fairly well if I remember correctly, this is why a small German force was able to make so much trouble for the British in Africa during WW I. So the natives might be pro-Germany.
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Old 01-11-2021, 07:15 PM   #5314
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This will stop the 1835 invasion by the Māori from the north island of New Zealand that killed or enslaved the native Moriori. The Germans tended to treat the locals fairly well if I remember correctly, this is why a small German force was able to make so much trouble for the British in Africa during WW I. So the natives might be pro-Germany.
Good point. I see this setting as multilayered. The Moriori could be pro-German, many local German colonists would be for independence. New Zealanders, justly famous for being fair-minded, would have real sympathies for both groups. As I said, London and Berlin are deluded in thinking this is two-sided.
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Old 01-11-2021, 10:03 PM   #5315
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This will stop the 1835 invasion by the Māori from the north island of New Zealand that killed or enslaved the native Moriori. The Germans tended to treat the locals fairly well if I remember correctly, this is why a small German force was able to make so much trouble for the British in Africa during WW I. So the natives might be pro-Germany.
Germans were horrible colonizers, only the Belgiums were arguably worse. The Herero and Nama genocides were the first of the 20th century and many of the atrocities committed in Nazi concentration camps against Jews during WWII were just derivations of how the Germans treated their colonial subjects. The Germans were especially cruel against the Herero and Nema women, bayonetting their children before gang raping the mothers and driving them into the desert to die of dehydration and starvation.
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Old 01-11-2021, 10:50 PM   #5316
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Germans were horrible colonizers, only the Belgiums were arguably worse. The Herero and Nama genocides were the first of the 20th century and many of the atrocities committed in Nazi concentration camps against Jews during WWII were just derivations of how the Germans treated their colonial subjects. The Germans were especially cruel against the Herero and Nema women, bayonetting their children before gang raping the mothers and driving them into the desert to die of dehydration and starvation.
Nope not exactly true, in fact most is complete wrong. Don´t mistake me the german kaiserreich, did kill a lot of natives including the majority of nema and hereros. In germany the parliament wanted to have executed a person called " Hänge Peters " for example, a german colonial officer involved in several crimes against natives, after a heated debate, he was forced to resign, by the way the nazis after 1933 rewarded him for this. There are other examples were colonial personal was punished for violating morale standars. Don´t take me wrong the natives have never been considered complete as humans, but there was a line that colonial personal better not crossed. Even the case of herero and nema was disputed. A gang rape for example was never tolerated. The belgians where far worse, no that is not a competition of war crimes, but sadly true, every monument in the belgium cities from that time is covered in blood. First there was a important decission between congo and deutsch südwest afrika, the last was a colony of a nation, congo was the personal property of the belgium king, according their own historians his measures leaded to a loss up to 80% of population, this means several million dead bodies, one of the greatest mass killings in history, the gang rapes and a lot of things where common here. For example native troops were ordered to proove that every shoot the did killed someone, if not there death was likely, so the hacked people into bits, it was cheaper, a female breast often served as proove of the kill, I could go on for pages, but I think you get the point. Basically it made him rich and belgium to a lesser extent. The crimes where so infamous that it got a international investigation, after which several leaders of other nations wanted to have him hanged. Nice bit of info he made congo a present to belgium, AFTER receiving a several million $ gift from the belgian state a few days before, he stepped down some time after. Among other facts was that he liked very young girls, he ended as a pariah in royal circles and died because of intestinal obstruction.
Germany just has a very bad press because of the nazis, but you shouldn´t believe everything you hear or read.
By the way every colonial power including the british and french, not to mention japan commited these crimes, it´s just less known.


UPDATE: While I wrote the above, from my basic knowledge I did some research afterwards, so I want to precise some statements. First since most of us don´t have thanks to ocovid access to a good library, the Web is the main source of all Information. In this case I would suggest to use the Wiki sadly the english versions has a lot of articles, some are rather inaccurate or lack importortant Infos. If you can read german I would suggest the german version both for the research on Deutsch Südwest Afrika as well as belgish Congo. Germans are obsessed with facts and numbers.
First Belgish Congo basically everything I wrote is true or even ( much ) worse, the caculated number of deads is between 5 - 25 million, the most acknoledged are in the 5-7 million range. The belgians never tried to annihilate the people, the deads are the follow of a system that tried to press as much money out of the natives. By the way until now the crimes of the colonial era are not mentioned in school books up to 2015, and the museums are very slowly following the same path. There is still no official regret to this era.
Deutsch Südwest Afrika, the english Wiki says the death tolls are higher then the calculated population base of the herero 80K base up to 100K dead, not included other population groups. So I use the german Wiki as Info source, here is the basic way what lead to the war crimes. The herero was a thorn in the side of the colonial forces from the very beginning, they broke at least 3 treaties, each after the where beaten. After the last of this the colony was nearly overrun, the Kauserreich hastily ordered 18K troops for reinforcement. The herero wasn´t then anymore considered subjects of the Kaiserreich, and where forced to leave the country, " by any means necessary " the leader of the colonial armee ( von Trotha ) ordered them driven into the desert and kept away from watersources, he also ordered to shoot at any herero on sight including woman and children, the plan was " to erase the herero" in the borders of Deutsch Südwest Afrika, which fills the genocide bill nicely. Any surviving was transfered to camps. Total death toll less then 150K. The whole case of the measures was also debated in the Kaiserreich and often harsh critict was uttered. The german gouverment apologized later and recognized the case as genocide, this is teached since at least a full generation this way. The actual stand in the question of reparations is if the development aid should calculated in and other tripwires.
The whole case was recorded also by the other european colonies nearby. Therefore it´s one of the best known cases in colonial crimes worldwide. I found a lot about the crimes of other nations, literally every last one has dead bodys often a lot in their own cellar, but that´s not topic of this post.
As I wrote this is not a race in war crimes, I just want to be precise.

A nice nerd info for you to know. Have you ever asked yourself why Hitler choosed earlier brown shirts for his party and later switched to black for SS ? The reason is after versailles the german lost the colony and left, a lot of the material was them stored, including a lot of brown shirts. Yup, exactly what Hitler bought.

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Old 01-12-2021, 04:53 PM   #5317
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This Q4 parallel has low manna but the local magics are alchemy and Path/Book magics. Although this world's history was strongly parallel to Homeline, magic was always recognized as real and magician (in the sense of someone who can actually do magic as opposed to stage entertainers) was recognized as a real job. However, as in several other known parallels, the massive increase in Europe's knowledge of other cultures past and present in the 19th century greatly expands magical knowledge available to first Western practitioners, and then any practitioner that could read one or more European language.

Throughout the 19th century Alchemy, like chemistry, was refined. After 1875 alchemy functionally adds one to the tech level. After 1930, add two to the tech level. Thus, after the horrors of WWII, Europe is rebuilt as a TL7+2 society. The USA and Russia both build bases on the Moon in the early 1950s.

The cold war in this parallel is moved off the Earth and out into the solar system. Alchemically designed terraformation projects on both Venus and Mars (designed by Carl Sagan) were initiated in the 1970s.

Now the local year ib 1980, society is transferring to TL8 while the alchemical bonus will be plus three, effectively a tech level of eleven. The USA, Russia, China, India, and the European Union, are all seeking how to create exotic matters so they could create Alcubierre Drives.

Homeline is desperate to figure out what the Cabal is learning on this world. The idea of a major rival jumping several tech levels quickly is terrifying.

Basically, espionage and sorcery in the 1980s.
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Old 01-12-2021, 10:59 PM   #5318
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In Homeline history, the Ottoman State declined in the 18th century as improved maritime technology took world trade around Africa and left southwest Asia marginal to the main world trade systems.
This YewToob vid discusses the Ottoman conflicts with the Portuguese in the Indian Ocean, from the Red Sea across to Aceh in Sumatra.
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Old 01-19-2021, 04:33 PM   #5319
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In most worlds Benjamin Franklin dies at the age of 84, in this Q6 low manna parallel, he made it to 105. Franklin beat John Adams to become the 2nd President of the United States, and pursued a radical course of action in close alliance with Thomas Paine and Thomas Jefferson. Much of what they sought to do got thwarted, but public schooling got national backing and a stiff inheritance tax on slaves got passed as well. (Emancipation was stonewalled as did Tom Paine's social welfare programs) The incorporation of several Native American as states was the most stunning achievement.

It's now the year 1828, Andrew Jackson is running for president against John Ross. The campaign threatens to break out in Civil War. Centrum wants the American Republic broken and gone. The Cabal finds that this world has great access to Native American lore and secrets, and is determined to preserve this USA at all costs. Homeline wants to prevent collateral damage.

Basically, espionage and closing down dirty tricks in 1820s America.
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Old 01-21-2021, 05:53 PM   #5320
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In most parallels known to Homeline, the Mascarene Plateau is mainly submerged. But not in the Q6 parallel called Sinbad-4 (the Sinbad designation covers big changes in the area of the Indian Ocean and it's trade systems).

The Mascarene island is mainly tropical and has a culture combining Indian, Arab, Persian, and African inputs. The rich soils nurture many exotic plants. Sinbad-4 has a large number of wonderful spices unknown on other parallels. Homeline buys large amounts of these spices, but that brings problems. Homeline wants to grow these spices on Earth and/or empty parallels. Problem, many of the spices are closely guarded secrets. You could easily be killed just trying to look at the spices being harvested. Plus, the Mascarene Island is a Normal Mana area, many of these plants are manna dependent.

Basically, espionage in a TL3 Arabian Nights-like setting. Magic and generaiding, daring-do, swashbuckling and taxonomy, botany and witcraft.
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