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Old 11-02-2014, 11:41 PM   #911
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Still, if you saw my sign, given the circumstances, would you think it racist?
Assuming I was a black janitor, I wouldn't know the circumstances. I might easily take the sign as a message to a specific black colleague.
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Old 11-02-2014, 11:59 PM   #912
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Still, if you saw my sign, given the circumstances, would you think it racist?
If I didn't know or overlooked the distinction between race and species, I would. However, I would also accept the explanation.


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Old 11-03-2014, 07:46 PM   #913
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Still, if you saw my sign, given the circumstances, would you think it racist?
The sign alone: Offensive, but not racist. Most persons of faith object to references that equate H. sapiens with "animals"... I'd have complained via email if I'd seen it.

If the population of the student body was notably ethnic, it's only a small step from there to seeing it as racist.

Your "explanation," however, has a subtle and racist innuendo.

The implications:
1) that Africans have had less impact
2) That Africans still largely live a "natural" lifestyle
3) that non-Africans are a plague
4) that Africa isn't worth protecting from Human-caused ecological damage.


The two together? yes, it comes across as potentially racist, and definitely offensive, especially if the religious makeup of the community is racially divided.

Especially since the Out of Africa theory is not universally held within academia, and that the human cause of the various prehistoric extinctions is neither proven nor provable. We can squarely be blamed for Dodos, Thylacine (Marsupial Wolf), and passenger pigeon. The mass extinction 10KYA and 18KYA are clearly periods of climate change, at a point when human worldwide numbers weren't even enough to fill a modern major city.

Plus, there's the huge logical fallacy that species ranges are immutable without human interference. Or that climate is stable over species-time.

And, by 10KYA, no continent was human free save Antarctica. We really don't know the ecology of that time; we make educated guesses. We know that the climate changed, because ranges for various plants changed. We know that several hundred species died out, and thousands more changed ranges.... but we cannot prove (and it's grossly arrogant to presume) Humans did it all.
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Old 11-04-2014, 03:03 PM   #914
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:32 AM   #915
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Still, if you saw my sign, given the circumstances, would you think it racist?
Nope. But then, I'm trained as an ecologist as well.
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Old 11-08-2014, 12:12 PM   #916
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The sign alone: Offensive, but not racist. Most persons of faith object to references that equate H. sapiens with "animals"... I'd have complained via email if I'd seen it.

If the population of the student body was notably ethnic, it's only a small step from there to seeing it as racist.

Your "explanation," however, has a subtle and racist innuendo.

The implications:
1) that Africans have had less impact
2) That Africans still largely live a "natural" lifestyle
3) that non-Africans are a plague
4) that Africa isn't worth protecting from Human-caused ecological damage.


The two together? yes, it comes across as potentially racist, and definitely offensive, especially if the religious makeup of the community is racially divided.

Especially since the Out of Africa theory is not universally held within academia, and that the human cause of the various prehistoric extinctions is neither proven nor provable. We can squarely be blamed for Dodos, Thylacine (Marsupial Wolf), and passenger pigeon. The mass extinction 10KYA and 18KYA are clearly periods of climate change, at a point when human worldwide numbers weren't even enough to fill a modern major city.

Plus, there's the huge logical fallacy that species ranges are immutable without human interference. Or that climate is stable over species-time.

And, by 10KYA, no continent was human free save Antarctica. We really don't know the ecology of that time; we make educated guesses. We know that the climate changed, because ranges for various plants changed. We know that several hundred species died out, and thousands more changed ranges.... but we cannot prove (and it's grossly arrogant to presume) Humans did it all.
Actually, the point of debate is humans as an invasive species. I don't see how you get the four points, but I will try to address them.
1)Not sure where you get this - I'm fully aware of the ecological impact of humans (and elephants) in Africa. It's one of the things I have to deal with in my Ubantu setting - what is the landscape of Africa like without thousands of years of exploitation and ecological engineering. Could you point out what I said?

2)That's silly. Perhaps in the Kalihari.

3)That comes back to humans as an invasive species that cause massive ecological change and damage. Do you argue against this? I'm guess you do not believe that humans were responsible for the megafauna extinctions in the Americas and Australia, on which we will have to agree to disagree. In any case, almost all invasive species were introduced by humans, obviously.

4)Where does that come from? Of course it is.

On the point that the world has long since been disturbed by humans, this is central to my way of looking at environmentalism. To my thinking, the 'hands off nature park' idea is not really the right way to go. I believe in the garden world model, where humans take control of and manage the biosphere.

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Old 11-08-2014, 01:43 PM   #917
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perhaps you should continue this discussion in another thread so you don't derail this one.
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Old 11-08-2014, 03:43 PM   #918
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One of my players has doublecrossed a nation, a mercenary agency, the nation's religion, and his fellow PCs.

Several moments of mirth came about afterwards.

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Traitor PC: Hmm, who have I not betrayed so far who will kill me?

GM: There's the Church of Ezra...

Traitor PC: Oooo, a challenge!
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Other PC: This is an old version of your GCS character sheet.

Traitor PC: Oh, it is? Hang on...

Other PC: Yeah, it says here "Sense of Duty: Party Members".

Traitor PC: Er... eheheheheheheheh......
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Traitor PC punches a guy who's been following him, in the face, in broad daylight.

People stop and stare.


Traitor PC: He owed me five coppers!

The rest of the people go on. This sounds eminently feasible.

Traitor PC (grabbing the guy): Okay, who are you?

Guy: They put a bounty on your head!

Traitor PC: Who?

Guy: EVERYBODY!

Traitor PC pondered this. That, too, was eminently feasible... :/
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Old 11-08-2014, 03:47 PM   #919
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perhaps you should continue this discussion in another thread so you don't derail this one.
Very true, please respond in Gen Chat. Thanks
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Old 11-08-2014, 10:05 PM   #920
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One of my players has doublecrossed a nation, a mercenary agency, the nation's religion, and his fellow PCs.

Several moments of mirth came about afterwards.
This guy sounds like the gal that played Dark Queen Arwen the Betrayer in an Early-Fourth Age Middle Earth game I was in. (Said title was earned ICly, no less.)
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