07-08-2019, 10:08 AM | #11 | |
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Re: Using an Illusion's Senses
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P.139: An illusion cannot affect any inanimate object; its effects are wholly mental and are the product of the wizards mind and the minds of those who see the illusion So it might LOOK like the wall is holding up a heavy weight, but it is not - just like the armour looks damaged, but its only the person inside that actually suffers harm... |
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07-08-2019, 10:10 AM | #12 |
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07-08-2019, 10:10 AM | #13 |
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You could imagine a situation, say a enemy is hanging from a rope over a lava pit, you could create an illusionary knife to cut the rope he is holding and he will believe he falls into the lava and suffers massive burns and dies, but in reality he is still hanging there and the rope is uncut.
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07-08-2019, 10:21 AM | #14 |
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In fact, I think you could argue that illusions are mass hypnosis, though perhaps not quite as we have them on earth:
"An illusion[s] ... effects are the product of the wizards mind and the minds of those who see the illusion" (p139). And "The wizard himself must believe in an illusion to cast it - this is the kind of self-control required to become a mage" (p138) "An illusory pit ... You cant really fall into it - but you can think you're falling" (p138) Many examples of "no mind - no effect" situations... And my touchstone here: "General rule for GMs in such cases: The illusion behaves as though the world were exactly as its master thinks it is." |
07-08-2019, 10:27 AM | #15 | |
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* and I house-rule these exceptions out in any case. |
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07-08-2019, 11:02 AM | #16 | |
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Illusions of Inanimate Objects: An illusion of fire, wall, or shadow will behave just like the real thing until it vanishes or is disbelieved. The same is true for an illusion of a hand- held weapon or a Magic Rope. Mages theorize this is true because these few inanimate objects are so often seen as illusions that they have somehow acquired extra power.So illusions of fire, walls, shadow, hand-held weapons, and magic rope behave "just like the real thing". So illusionary fire does burn things, etc. The rest of the paragraph goes into further explanation. |
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07-08-2019, 11:23 AM | #17 | |
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07-08-2019, 11:23 AM | #18 |
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That's a GM's prerogative. This is all just to show that illusions are not strictly "mental", that they're made of a "knot of forces" (i.e. they really do have a location), and that they follow the normal rules for creations -- if it's a creature, you can objectively see out of its eyes (you get a mobile point of view, not mental impressions that your mind makes up).
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07-08-2019, 11:24 AM | #19 | |
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Also, I was answering someone else and you're not the original poster. Last edited by zot; 07-08-2019 at 11:25 AM. Reason: clarification |
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07-08-2019, 11:27 AM | #20 | |
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A truly summoned creature is certainly really there in a way an illusion is not. It actually has real eyes for a start, whereas your illusion 'behaves as its master thinks the world is' not how it really is. So it's visual 'reports' aren't based on actual eyes, but on 'the mind of the wizard' and what he knows about the world. Compare with the passage on gates... |
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