04-30-2011, 09:30 PM | #41 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
A chance to say no = no ability to say no? I'm no sure I can argue with logic like that.
Torture, duress, Mind Control, and brainwashing, can all boil down to NPCs making Will rolls to say, "no"...why are some okay and some not okay? Last edited by jeff_wilson; 04-30-2011 at 09:37 PM. |
04-30-2011, 09:49 PM | #42 |
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Unless they can freely say no I'd say that it doesn't work. If there's a mechanical reason they have to say yes then it doesn't count. Again, it's not the physical act of saying "yes", it's about them being mentally willing.
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04-30-2011, 10:50 PM | #43 |
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Bu you are not saying how "freely" and "have to" are distinguished. When both involve contests of will, how do we tell?
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04-30-2011, 10:57 PM | #44 | |
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Unless you count curiosity as coercion. Is it even possible to coerce myself? Assuming I don't have a split personality that is. |
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04-30-2011, 11:57 PM | #45 | |
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You can of course decide for yourself that you want to do X from your principles and moral convictions rather than fear of punishment and use that basis to justify your actions, but then I can say, "You are espousing principles and morals from fear of the social punishment for being treated like someone without principles or morals." But I would never disrespect a person's ethical stance that way , except that I fear being denigrated for contributing to the denial that people act to avoid punishment. |
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05-01-2011, 03:41 AM | #46 | |
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Personally, I feel that raises 'magic' to a status that I would prefer to reserve to gods. And on the other hand there's the thought that Wish spells couldn't possibly work with anything less than total cosmic consciousness being invoked. And on the third tentacle, there's the thought 'I'm invoking cosmic consciousness every time I use my Clean spell or light a candle?'
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05-01-2011, 04:32 AM | #47 | |
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Personally, I must say that the victim's decision must not come from a direct supernatural influence (so, if the witch has Charisma +15 granted by a magical effect, then yeah, it can fast talk/influence the victim into sacrifice. If he uses Mind Control (via advantage or spell) then no. Drugs remove the will from the subject would also not work. It all comes to wherever the will behind the decision is the sacrifice's (even if it's influenced by outside forces) or someone else's. Back on the legal front, if someone, at gunpoint, requested that you give them your wallet, after you exit an ATM, he would still be stealing, even if you were actually giving it to him "out of your own will". Magic would consider that you gave it to him by choice (you could decide if you preferred to test his nerve, or see if he had bullets in that gun, or simply give it to him. It's a risk/reward situation), while for justice, it's armed robbery. Me, I like the idea of willing sacrifices adding their will (not GURPS Will, but in the conversational English sense) to the casting, on top of what the actual action of the sacrifice gives you (that is probably a simple cause-effect thing, you sacrifice someone, you get energy). It's ripe for drama. It also means that evil witches are likely to have cults where the integrands are subjected to mundane (with perhaps a slight magical boost, from, for example, magically increased charisma and/or appearance) brainwashing. Last edited by Kuroshima; 05-01-2011 at 04:37 AM. |
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05-01-2011, 07:08 AM | #48 |
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And I think turning people into addicts so that you can use them as magical batteries is a wonderfully naughty thing to do as a naughty witch. Idea stolen. :)
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