04-29-2011, 06:18 PM | #11 | |
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(Sure, this dodges around any philosophical notions about whether or not free will exists.) More interestingly, what about attempting to subject a target to delusions that they must willingly sacrifice or be subject to arbitrarily bad consequences? |
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04-29-2011, 06:49 PM | #12 | |
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co·er·cion –noun 1. the act of coercing; use of force or intimidation to obtain compliance. 2. force or the power to use force in gaining compliance, as by a government or police force. The case where you voluntarily sacrifice yourself in order to save somebody else does not fit the definition, because nobody is trying to force you into compliance with their wishes. The enemy is trying to kill the somebody else and doesn't actually want you to forestall them, the target may want to be saved but has no means of forcing compliance, and your friend who may be casting the spell (in the examples we're looking at) with your life force is not forcing you, but offering you the option. |
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04-29-2011, 07:22 PM | #13 |
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Thanks, everyone. Much appreciated. ^^
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04-29-2011, 08:27 PM | #14 |
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04-29-2011, 08:42 PM | #15 |
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04-29-2011, 11:28 PM | #16 | |
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04-29-2011, 11:39 PM | #17 | |
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04-29-2011, 11:48 PM | #18 | |
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Can Enslave? or any other spell emulate the effects of psychology/religion in creating participants willing (eager?) to sacrifice themselves? if so, which spells can? Can a powerful Foolishness apell and a little Fast Talk get the job done? What about Mindlessness? (let me sacrifice you and I'll give yuo this toy!) Bravery? Loyalty? (I think the 'very dangerous' clause ends the spell, but can the recipient be convinced sacrifices aren't dangerous? perhaps a step to a higher plane?)
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04-30-2011, 03:44 AM | #19 |
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Re: [MH] [RPM] Willing Sacrifice & Mind Control
It depends.
It depends upon who is judging the subject's willingness and how and the precise effects of the mind control. If the mind control just makes the person stand up there and say 'Yes, I'm willing!' without affecting their internal feelings about it then that just won't work. Assuming it rewrites the subject's mental state sufficiently to make them actually believe that they are willing to do this then it depends on how deep the deciding person or mechanism or spell goes. A surface probe will say yes, this person is willing. A deep probe or the sort of cosmic awareness you expect from a god will not. You have to have a clear idea in your head how the effect works.
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04-30-2011, 03:59 AM | #20 | |
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Allowing it to be otherwise merely means that there never will be an unwilling sacrifice and that we can discard the rules coming out in MH3, as I can work out the ritual for any effect to any degree of precision that you care to specify as being required to weasel my way past the "willing sacrifice" requirement. Assuming that either magic or the casters are stupid isn't going to go anywhere useful. :) |
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