10-15-2014, 06:58 PM | #1 |
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[Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
What is the cutoff between the Boating (Sailboat) and Shiphandling skills? In Low-Tech, vessels up to the size of the 50' brig are listed as using Boating (Sailboat), but in LTC 3 the 30' dhow and fishing junk are both listed as using Shiphandling. I had supposed that Boating pretty much only applied to vessels that one could at least theoretically singlehand, and Shiphandling/Crewman was needed for vessels that need a multi-person crew, but this appears to not be the case, since there's no way that one person can run a 50' brig, for instance.
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10-16-2014, 04:10 AM | #2 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
I think the cutoff is not the size of the vessel but crew. If it requires a crew it requires shiphandling.
Whoops: Just noticed your comment about the brig. Maybe it is the size of the crew?
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10-16-2014, 07:27 AM | #3 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
You might check this thread. I think there was a discussion or something in there.
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10-16-2014, 10:55 AM | #4 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
That thread appears to initially agree with me, gruundehn and LTC3, and then bogs down into a wrangle about what skill would be used specifically to be the helmsman of a ship run with Shiphandling (I'd call it Seamanship, personally).
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10-16-2014, 11:13 AM | #5 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
My theory would be that the skill for the brig is in error.
Isn't that explicit in the rules?
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
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My own feeling has always been that Boating is for individual boathandling, and Shiphandling was for managing a crew. I'd go so far as to say that LT is in error with regard to a Brig, unless one can be feasibly sailed by one person (I'm not sailor of any sort). But that's where I draw the line in the game at any rate.
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10-17-2014, 03:59 AM | #7 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
I will just say that any interpretation that requires the cox of a rowing eight to take Shiphandling skill jars with me very badly for aesthetic reasons...
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10-17-2014, 04:07 AM | #8 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
Never paid that much attention to rowing crews, does the cox of a rowing 8 steer or is that race just straight line?
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10-17-2014, 04:23 AM | #9 |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
He could take Sports (Rowing) and get a reasonable default to "real" rowing skills.
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10-17-2014, 11:59 AM | #10 | |
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Re: [Low-Tech] Boating vs Shiphandling
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The brig in LT is debatable; at best it's at the upper end of anything that could be handled with Boating, and there's a fair case that it ought to require Shiphandling and Seamanship. There does seem to be a plausible zone of overlap, where big boats may sometimes be bigger than the smallest ships. It's a matter not of absolute size but of the organization of work. Bill Stoddard |
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