Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King

hcobb · 05-04-2019, 07:58 AM

TOTWK page 2: "regain 1d-2 hits (minimum of 1) every turn, including ST lost to hits and to spell use"

Nothing else in the game (not trolls, vampires or werewolves) regenerates fatigue, so this is a limiting factor for enchantments.

Since this critter knows GMIC and has the fatigue supply of over a thousand apprentices each day, how exactly are the PCs expected to enter his tomb when the place has to be packed wall to wall, floor to ceiling with max enchanted magic items by now?

How many dozen wishes will the Wizard's Guild grant the PCs who trick this guy into stepping through a gate so that the WG can study and replicate this endless source of ST?

Chris Rice · 05-04-2019, 08:02 AM

You're assuming that just because he has the means to do so, that he has the desire to. Perhaps he's lazy and can't be bothered with the rigours of Magic Item creation.

larsdangly · 05-04-2019, 08:04 AM

What's in it for him?

hcobb · 05-04-2019, 08:04 AM

If the process exists and can be replicated then the Wizard's Guild will do so and they will entirely change the setting with endless enchantments.

larsdangly · 05-04-2019, 08:16 AM

Why would we assume the process can be replicated by a being that will listen to what the Wizard's Guild wants?

hcobb · 05-04-2019, 08:38 AM

Either the immortal spellcasters with endless power work on enchantments or they take over the world Overlord anime style. In either case Cidri as we know is doomed by this game breaker.

philreed · 05-04-2019, 08:57 AM

Magic and roleplaying games = fun. The abilities and rules of creatures, NPCs, plot devices, and anything at all are not restricted by anything except the imagination of the GM and authors.

Even the player characters need not follow the written rules. The GM and players in the group can do what is best for their adventures, disregarding anything and everything that they think doesn’t mesh with their play style.

There’s a giant difference between an RPG adventure and an adversarial boardgaming scenario.

Shostak · 05-04-2019, 02:11 PM

No RPG system or setting is going to be able to withstand this kind of scrutiny. Heck, most movies (that benefit from piles of money supporting huge production teams) can't seam to manage to avoid gaping plot holes. We ignore them because it is fun to do so. And, really, the magic item creation rules exist to put checks on the ambitions of player characters, not GM characters.

As far as I'm concerned, the only problem with this adventure is that it isn't in a bound book. Oh, wait! SJGames solved that with the help of a happy fan base.

05-04-2019, 07:58 AM	#1
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King TOTWK page 2: "regain 1d-2 hits (minimum of 1) every turn, including ST lost to hits and to spell use" Nothing else in the game (not trolls, vampires or werewolves) regenerates fatigue, so this is a limiting factor for enchantments. Since this critter knows GMIC and has the fatigue supply of over a thousand apprentices each day, how exactly are the PCs expected to enter his tomb when the place has to be packed wall to wall, floor to ceiling with max enchanted magic items by now? How many dozen wishes will the Wizard's Guild grant the PCs who trick this guy into stepping through a gate so that the WG can study and replicate this endless source of ST? __________________ -HJC

05-04-2019, 08:02 AM	#2
Chris Rice Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: London Uk, but originally from Scotland	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King You're assuming that just because he has the means to do so, that he has the desire to. Perhaps he's lazy and can't be bothered with the rigours of Magic Item creation.

05-04-2019, 08:04 AM	#3
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King What's in it for him?

05-04-2019, 08:04 AM	#4
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King If the process exists and can be replicated then the Wizard's Guild will do so and they will entirely change the setting with endless enchantments. __________________ -HJC

05-04-2019, 08:16 AM	#5
larsdangly Join Date: Dec 2017	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King Why would we assume the process can be replicated by a being that will listen to what the Wizard's Guild wants?

05-04-2019, 08:38 AM	#6
hcobb Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Pacheco, California	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King Either the immortal spellcasters with endless power work on enchantments or they take over the world Overlord anime style. In either case Cidri as we know is doomed by this game breaker. __________________ -HJC

05-04-2019, 08:57 AM	#7
philreed I do stuff and things. Join Date: Aug 2004	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King Magic and roleplaying games = fun. The abilities and rules of creatures, NPCs, plot devices, and anything at all are not restricted by anything except the imagination of the GM and authors. Even the player characters need not follow the written rules. The GM and players in the group can do what is best for their adventures, disregarding anything and everything that they think doesn’t mesh with their play style. There’s a giant difference between an RPG adventure and an adversarial boardgaming scenario. __________________ Battlegrip.com, my blog about toys.

05-04-2019, 02:11 PM	#8
Shostak Join Date: Oct 2015 Location: New England	Re: Problem with Tomb of the Wizard-King No RPG system or setting is going to be able to withstand this kind of scrutiny. Heck, most movies (that benefit from piles of money supporting huge production teams) can't seam to manage to avoid gaping plot holes. We ignore them because it is fun to do so. And, really, the magic item creation rules exist to put checks on the ambitions of player characters, not GM characters. As far as I'm concerned, the only problem with this adventure is that it isn't in a bound book. Oh, wait! SJGames solved that with the help of a happy fan base.