Octopus vs starting human in HTH

[hcobb]

Standard ITL 82 octopus vs a starting human in HTH

The human is ST 9, DX 12(10), IQ 9, Dagger Expertise, Very Fine Dagger, leather armor.

The Octopus does 1.4 points a turn on average and wins the fight in six turns.

The human does four points of damage a turn on average and wins the fight in five turns.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by hcobb

Standard ITL 82 octopus vs a starting human in HTH

The human is ST 9, DX 12(10), IQ 9, Dagger Expertise, Very Fine Dagger, leather armor.

The Octopus does 1.4 points a turn on average and wins the fight in six turns.

The human does four points of damage a turn on average and wins the fight in five turns.

Surely, most PCs don't have dagger expertise and a very fine dagger when they start out. Your point is that some starting characters can do very well against octopodes in HTH, I guess. The claim that was made in the other thread was surely about the kind of PC we typically see, not a specific PC made for the purpose of kicking a little butt in HTH.

I'm not quite sure how you calculated the average damage for a turn by the PC. His base damage with a dagger is d6, +1 for HTH, +1 for expertise and +2 for very fine dagger, so on average 7.5. Multiply by 50% chance to hit and I get 3.75 hits. Close to four, of course, but not quite four.

[TippetsTX]

The way I see it, an octopus engaged in HTH can simultaneously pin, strangle and stab a humanoid figure. The outcome should be a forgone conclusion.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by TippetsTX

The way I see it, an octopus engaged in HTH can simultaneously pin, strangle and stab a humanoid figure. The outcome should be a forgone conclusion.

So go with an Unarmed Combat III starting human and pin the octopus.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by phiwum

I'm not quite sure how you calculated the average damage for a turn by the PC. His base damage with a dagger is d6, +1 for HTH, +1 for expertise and +2 for very fine dagger, so on average 7.5. Multiply by 50% chance to hit and I get 3.75 hits. Close to four, of course, but not quite four.

+4 DX in HTH
ST 9 fist is 1d-3, dagger in HTH is +3, +2 for very fine, +1 for expertise, -2 damage for tough skin.

[TippetsTX]

Originally Posted by hcobb

So go with an Unarmed Combat III starting human and pin the octopus.

Yeah, good luck with that.

https://youtu.be/lRrkaLTVHrs
Now picture one three times larger with 4 times the ST of a human.

[Senturian]

[QUOTE=TippetsTX;2346742]Yeah, good luck with that.


Final Jeopardy Round:
I'll take Ring of Shock Shield till death, Alex.

[phiwum]

Originally Posted by hcobb

+4 DX in HTH
ST 9 fist is 1d-3, dagger in HTH is +3, +2 for very fine, +1 for expertise, -2 damage for tough skin.

Agh, I plumb forgot the +4. I also forgot the tough skin.

Thanks.

[hcobb]

Once you pin the octopus then hitting her is a free action, right?

[Skarg]

The octopus acts first and can usually successfully disengage from HTH, or pin the human, though bringing up the Pin rules and Unarmed Combat brings us back to how the pinning rules have issues (and my house rule fix for that), especially with Unarmed Combat talent involved.