07-24-2019, 02:45 PM | #1 |
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Creating "nukes" with the Blast spell?
Probably many or even all of us have used the strategy of placing a Blast Trap spell on an arrow or crossbow bolt, setting the trigger condition to simply "when the arrow hits it's target", and gone into combat with this warhead at the ready.
Since the spell lasts 24 hours and can be cast multiple times on the same item (up to 5 per the Expunge spell example in the rules), you can build quite a "nuke" if you know you're going to use it the next day. Having overnight to prepare, my own favorite wizard once saved his party by placing 5 successive 12 ST Blast Trap spells on a crossbow bolt, resting 3 hours after each casting. It took him a half hour longer than 12 hours to do that, as he missed his DX roll twice and had to wait 15 minutes more each of those times to regain the wasted ST point. Yes, it did 10+10 damage. We were being sent after a really big monster, "was" being the operative word here. It turned a 21-hex Roc into fried chicken for everyone. In game time, the adventure lasted 1 melee turn. But I have a question! I did that so long ago (20+ years) I cannot recall how that day's GM ruled on this. Does the adjacent hex damage caused by a 12 ST or 24 ST Blast Trap spell count for every hex of a multi-hex creature (or multi-hex target of any kind such as a 3 hex wall) that's in the blast's range??? Say a 3 hex Giant steps on a gem with a 12 ST Blast Trap spell on it, set to go off when anyone but the wizard who created it steps on or touches it. This size Blast Trap spell does 2d6+2 damage to anything in the hex where it's touched, but it also does 2d6 damage to anything in each of the adjacent hexes. The Giant takes the 2 dice +2 damage in the hex he steps on the gem, that much is for sure. But would you charge the other 2 dice damage to the Giant for each of it's other two hexes? After all, those body parts are in adjacent hexes to the one taking the 2+2 damage. If so, then in the case of a 3-hex Giant it would take 6+2 damage. A 4-hex Dragon would also take 6+2, with one of its 4 hexes unaffected (not that that would make any difference). How would/have you played it? Last edited by Steve Plambeck; 07-24-2019 at 02:51 PM. Reason: I'm an awful typist! |
07-24-2019, 07:46 PM | #2 |
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Re: Creating "nukes" with the Blast spell?
That looks reasonable to me. The rationalization being that those with more surface area toward the blast get blasted more. If you're small more of the explosion just passes you by.
I would, however, have taken great glee in applying harsh penalties to anyone who rolled an automatic failure when making such an adventure squashing device as a 12 die blast arrow. Especially if, as GM, I had invested a lot of time and effort in the adventure. :) Last edited by tomc; 07-25-2019 at 04:59 AM. |
07-24-2019, 08:13 PM | #3 |
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Re: Creating "nukes" with the Blast spell?
I would not allow using Blast Trap to buff a weapon. I would allow it to be used on a weapon if that weapon becomes a booby trap, e.g. putting an arrow with Blast Trap cast on it in a quiver and set to explode when a goblin touched it. Using the spell as suggested in the opening post violates the spirit of the spell.
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07-25-2019, 05:04 AM | #4 |
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Re: Creating "nukes" with the Blast spell?
I agree that it violates the spirit of the spell, but I took it as the premise of the question.
Some GMs are wide open in their interpretations, and other are strict. As long as they are mostly consistent the players will have a feel for what to expect, and that leads to better games. |
07-25-2019, 08:28 AM | #5 | |
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07-28-2019, 12:27 AM | #7 | ||
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Say one Blast Trap doing 1+1 damage is placed on an item with the trigger condition being it gets picked up by anyone with green hair. Then a second BT spell for 1+1 damage is placed on the same item, set to go off if it's touched by anyone with red eyes. But if a green-haired person with red eyes happens to grab the item, wouldn't they take 2+2 damage? Alas, no way to test it in reality! And maybe that's a good thing... Quote:
It is after all a spell intended to cause an item do as much harm as the caster can put into it, so "more damage" is not inconsistent with the intent of the spell. |
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07-28-2019, 12:50 AM | #8 | |
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The day I blew up his Roc was just a time killer. The rest of the group couldn't make it for our regular game day, and he said come on over anyway and bring your favorite wizard, I have a suicide mission for him (oh, how nice). All he had to do to get ready was draw the giant Roc counter and assign its attributes. He gave it ST 100. I fried the bird in one melee turn, and then we played chess the rest of the day :) Good times indeed. |
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07-29-2019, 12:18 PM | #10 |
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Re: Creating "nukes" with the Blast spell?
This seems to me like one of those things a GM needs to decide how they want the version of the spell known in their campaign to work, because it does have some fairly large implications.
Mainly "can a wizard with Blast Trap use it to make deadly exploding arrows, or not?" Because if they can, it's a rather deadly and efficient technique. In theory, an army can employ a wizard with Blast Trap, powered by apprentices at $25/week for 25 ST/day, to crank out approximately one 3-die Blast Trap per day per apprentice - so something like $5 per 3-die blast trap. That's definitely worth stocking up arsenals of 3-die exploding arrows and crossbow bolts, for anyone who can get access to them, which would be even more annoying than Hcobb's also-annoying idea that arrows with Brand on them do extra damage. It's also rather a more powerful use of Blast Trap than using it as a trap, which further implies to me that no, you can't use it for that, or else it would say so, and/or be named differently. As for how much damage an explosion does to a multi-hex creature, I think it's up to the GM to figure out. I would say it depends on where the explosion happens - if it's on the multi-hex figure or in its hands, I'd tend to think it just takes the "in the same hex" damage only, with the rest of its body being shielded by the part being hit up close. If the center of an explosion were away from a multi-hex figure, I'd tend to think each hex within range could get damaged separately, though of course any armor would apply to each roll. And for the item mentioned above with two 1d+1 Blast Traps on it, both going off at once, that wouldn't be 2d+2 but two 1d+1 effects, which makes a big difference if armor is involved. Blast Trap can still be ultra-evil though, as unless some restriction is added, you could cast it on multiple innocent-looking small objects in a single hex to make a very deadly hex. (BTW, in my original TFT campaign, I had a single bow with an otherwise-unknown enchantment which would allow arrows fired from it to be charged for explosive damage - at age 12 or so, I thought it was very cool (it was inspired by a TV show) and it was fun to watch it lay waste to foes like nothing else, but it was clearly overpowered and got retired out of a growing desire for a game less about people getting easily wiped out by powerful magic items.) Last edited by Skarg; 07-29-2019 at 12:22 PM. |
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