Pointless Units

[Dave Crowell]

I would love a missile tank with full heavy mobility. As they are they work much better on the orange map than on the green ones. I love them in Ogre. In GEV, not so much.

[Cat]

Could be interesting to try faster MSLs. As they are, I quite enjoy using a couple as support units on the green maps. Backing up a line of HVYs and/or Inf, a few in the mix earn their keep, especially on a lateral road just behind the line.

[43Supporter]

Originally Posted by hcobb

BTW: If you want a missile tank that's actually worth a full armor unit then give it Heavy mobility so it can blast SHVYs.

By this, you mean "HVY" movement mode?

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by 43Supporter

By this, you mean "HVY" movement mode?

Yes, however it's noted now.

Without that change I'll continue to avoid MSL. With it I'll consider them WRT the tactical need.

[dwalend]

Originally Posted by Cat

Hmm, the Missile GEV should be more than a basic GEV. They lose a point of movement in each bound, but at 3/3 they have a stronger attack than a GEV; and firing at range 3, they can retreat just as far from the target as a GEV firing at range 2.

Not missle GEV. The MSL tank comes in below 6 vp in Henry's calculator.

It's wise to have new units come in a little low on the calculator. They start as specialists and can find their way from there. Keeps it from becoming Munchkin-ized.

[Cat]

Along with giving transport vehicles a points value so they can be used with the same flexibility as other units and not just 'as assigned by scenario', I think it's worth allowing infantry to attack while mounted like they do from GEV-PCs.

That especially makes sense for those of us who are using open-topped transport vehicles to allow for easy transfer of infantry miniatures rather than fiddling with book-keeping or adding markers.

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by Cat

Along with giving transport vehicles a points value so they can be used with the same flexibility as other units and not just 'as assigned by scenario', I think it's worth allowing infantry to attack while mounted like they do from GEV-PCs.

That especially makes sense for those of us who are using open-topped transport vehicles to allow for easy transfer of infantry miniatures rather than fiddling with book-keeping or adding markers.

I include the value of both enclosed and open transport. Note that militia need roofs to keep from being blown away.

[Cat]

Originally Posted by hcobb

I include the value of both enclosed and open transport. Note that militia need roofs to keep from being blown away.

Have you compiled a list of the established units and your calculated values anywhere? The only links I've found just go the calculator itself.

[offsides]

For Trucks, I'm OK with allowing open-top vehicles and INF to fire from them. For Hovertrucks, not so much. Because that's essentially what a GEV-PC is, and that's not worth undermining. I'd also say that open-top trucks are tactically worth more because of that ability, and should probably cost more as well. But there lies the problem with establishing fixed values for transports - depending on the scenario, different kinds of transport are going to be worth more or less. I'm not arguing that it's not good to establish a baseline, just that said baseline is gonna get tossed more often than not if the trucks are actually necessary in the scenario...

[hcobb]

Originally Posted by Cat

Have you compiled a list of the established units and your calculated values anywhere? The only links I've found just go the calculator itself.

I could easily load every unit in the game into the calculator as a drop down item to be edited from there but I do not believe that the SJGames online license covers that much.

I do have them hidden internally in the script, but that is only for purposes of running simulations against player defined units.

I only use Evil Stevie's property as needed for the purposes of providing an add on adjunct for his customers' amusement, I don't copy past that point.