03-12-2012, 05:43 AM | #1 |
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Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
Greetings, all!
Stumbled on this video. IMO, it makes a good example of what a pro-Pan-Sapient Rights memetic campaign can look like. If you ignore the references to PS3, that is. Yeah, I know SAIs can be programmed to enjoy their work, but in a sense, so can biosophonts (between Social Engineering and some of the UT/BIO tools that are present in THS). The video can still be a good bit of Propaganda, and will definitely divide the viewers' reactions between something along the lines of functionalists and descartians. Anyone got their own ideas on the topic to share? Doesn't have to be video or even a link. Could be anything. Thanks in advance! |
03-12-2012, 11:05 AM | #2 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
The problem with comparing programming A.I.s to enjoy their work vs. biosophonts, is that you have to change the living, while A.I.s have no initial programming against it. Or put another way, why would you create an A.I. that doesn't "enjoy" what it's made to do best? That seem crueler if you care about their "feelings".
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03-12-2012, 12:13 PM | #3 | |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
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When I train a neural network to find objects by showing it a bowl of fruit with outlines, it is later able to find all sorts of objects like boats and trees it has never seen before. (That is, in the sense of outlining them in pictures; it doesn't identify the objects or otherwise treat them as entities in any way.) When I attempt to teach the same neural network to shade objects, sometimes it learns the new task as well as a freshly initiated one and sometimes it gets stuck at a poor level of performance, but it usually does one or the other quickly enough to be worth trying. If a volitional AI used this sort of procedure on parts of itself, it might be dissatisfied with its inability to adapt itself to the new tasks at hand, and the devotion of greater resources to fix the problem might manifest as a distracted affect that a human would interpret as pensive. |
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03-12-2012, 01:08 PM | #4 | |
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03-12-2012, 01:17 PM | #5 | |
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What's wrong with decerebrate bioroids controlled by implant A.I.s? |
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03-12-2012, 02:59 PM | #6 |
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03-12-2012, 03:47 PM | #7 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
Biochauvinism, is what that is.
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03-12-2012, 04:27 PM | #8 | |
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It's not the same, because an A.I. does not exist until you define and create it. There is no A.I. in a natural state. THS does not have the ability to create life forms out of whole cloth without cribbing from already extant genomes. |
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03-12-2012, 05:17 PM | #9 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
How are genomes relevant? It is not more morally relevant than the fact that AI programmers probably use an already-existing programming language. It's obviously not tinkering around with genes that is the morally abhorrent part, otherwise GMO crops would be evil. In both cases a sapient being is being created, pretty much the only difference is that one of them is made of meat and the other is not. No already existing beings have been manipulated or had their preferences frustrated.
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03-12-2012, 08:02 PM | #10 |
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Re: Pro- and counter- Pan-Sapient Rights Memetic Campaigns
Difference of opinion.
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