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Old 10-15-2013, 06:05 AM   #11
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What ruling in New Jersey?
New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that casinos may not legally ban card counters.
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Old 10-15-2013, 06:11 AM   #12
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New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that casinos may not legally ban card counters.
Interesting! The rulings I could find generally went in favor of the casinos but I guess they were in places where the casinos and their backers had more political sway. Maybe its still a hot issue in 2100?
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:06 AM   #13
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Well, transhumanism was basically what brought down the Olympics in THS, and reduced interest in spectator sports overall.
That's a shame and illustrates some of the things I find distasteful about "Transhumanism".
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:16 AM   #14
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That's a shame and illustrates some of the things I find distasteful about "Transhumanism".
This has to do with the overall philosophy of baseline fairness that is heavily ingrained in the Olympic movement. Remember that originally professional athletes were barred from entering the contests, since it was considered unfair. (I vaguely recall even earlier in the movement's age menial professions being either formally or informally shooed, but at this point I'm likely misremembering the facts, so don't trim this disclaimer when quoting, please.)

Basically, 2100-era competitions are closer to NASCAR than Olympics, in that the engineers play no lesser, perhaps a bigger role, than coaches and athletes. Even if it's the athletes' bodies that are being engineered.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:26 AM   #15
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This has to do with the overall philosophy of baseline fairness that is heavily ingrained in the Olympic movement. Remember that originally professional athletes were barred from entering the contests, since it was considered unfair. (I vaguely recall even earlier in the movement's age menial professions being either formally or informally shooed, but at this point I'm likely misremembering the facts, so don't trim this disclaimer when quoting, please.)

Basically, 2100-era competitions are closer to NASCAR than Olympics, in that the engineers play no lesser, perhaps a bigger role, than coaches and athletes. Even if it's the athletes' bodies that are being engineered.
I grasp that. I just don't care for it. But this borders on a threadcrap. I'm sorry.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:30 AM   #16
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I grasp that. I just don't care for it. But this borders on a threadcrap. I'm sorry.
Nah, it's an OK tangent. And in fact quite closely related to gambling (since betting on those competitions is probably still viable no matter what).
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:13 AM   #17
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New Jersey Supreme Court ruled that casinos may not legally ban card counters.
They can't ban you, but they can ask you to leave, bribe you to play other games, not sell you chips, "reserve the right to refuse service to anyone" ect. It's still private property, if they ask you to leave and you stay you are trespassing.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:13 AM   #18
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Remember that, if electronic aids are illegal, Honest AIs will presumably refuse to help someone count.

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This is already true of Blackjack in casinos in 2013.
The ability to detect counters in 2100 will presumably be well above what it is now (for much the same reason that more people will have equipment that could help with counting).
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:18 AM   #19
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Remember that, if electronic aids are illegal, Honest AIs will presumably refuse to help someone count.
Yeah, I already said that, actually.
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The ability to detect counters in 2100 will presumably be well above what it is now (for much the same reason that more people will have equipment that could help with counting).
Yeah, Casinos already automate this a lot apparently.
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Old 10-15-2013, 11:42 AM   #20
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Yeah, Casinos already automate this a lot apparently.
Whoops, missed that.
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