08-02-2018, 02:24 AM | #21 | |
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Re: How do you all handle mounted combat?
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I was unclear in my rule above. The horse when moving fast can knock someone back and keep going. Sorry! Warm regards, Rick. |
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08-02-2018, 09:47 AM | #22 |
Join Date: May 2015
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Re: How do you all handle mounted combat?
Yes, I was talking about the existing rules for Guy's benefit, since his response and some replies to it seemed to be thinking that the issue was about engagement, and could be solved by adjustment to effective counter-size of a moving horse.
Really if you want a chance for a horse to be able to move through enemies (not around them, and not just crunching forward one hex per turn), then yeah you'd want an added rule that lets you do that, as you suggest. In GURPS you can even attempt that at any size, as there are rules for trying to evade or slam your way through through a standing foe's hex that take into account ST and DX. Your version seems ok though I think you'd want any such rule to allow the possibility of all combinations of outcomes, which I'm not clear yours does, i.e.: * The horse might balk and stop, and/or panic. * The standing figure might (probably does in most cases - they might need to choose to attack or get out of the way) get to attack the horse or rider, in addition to any other results. * The standing figure might get out of the way, either falling or not falling, being hurt or not being hurt in the process. * The standing figure might get rammed and/or trampled by the horse in the process. * The horse might get stopped, stumble, or be hurt in the process of hitting whatever it rams into. * The horse might keep going without being slowed down at all. |
08-02-2018, 03:17 PM | #23 | |
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08-02-2018, 06:02 PM | #24 |
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Sydney, Australia
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Re: How do you all handle mounted combat?
Horses will not charge through solid barriers. Decent infantry from the dawn of organised warfare to mid-C19 pack together tight enough to look like a solid hedge, even without shields. But if there's a gap in the wall every horse in the charge will think, "Oh, it's OK, I'll go through there," and by the time they realise there are a thousand horses with the same idea and they aren't going to all fit into that one little gap it's too late to stop and the horses end up crashing into the line anyway. So discipline is even more essential for infantry versus cavalry than for infantry versus infantry.
How this is all relevant to the small unit tactics of TFT I'm not sure but letting horses break up ordered infantry is making cavalry unreasonably strong. And TFT is supposed to be a game of infantry, mostly, so that would be a mistake. Cavalry also pack at maximum density. The French said if you threw a plum at a charge one of the lances should skewer it. So movies where an agile warrior jumps around between the charging horses and grabs one from the side really don't work. On the other hand cavalry on cavalry charges can be even stupider than cavalry on infantry. Nobody wants to turn aside and get stabbed in the flank. Assuming nobody wins the game of chicken, the horses see a mass of other horses coming and slow down. The horses end up face to face, slow down and stop, and if the riders have swords they can hardly reach each other. Anyway, this only applies to large formations and TFT isn't about large formations. |
08-03-2018, 07:19 AM | #25 | |
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08-03-2018, 01:07 PM | #26 |
Join Date: Jul 2018
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Handling the mounted charge
If a horse(normally a 2-hex creature) moves more than 8 hexes in a single turn and then engages a single man on foot, treat the horse as though it were a 3-hex creature.
A rule change to the following: If a horse(normally a 2-hex creature) moves more than 8 hexes in a single turn, last turn or this turn, treat the horse as though it were a 3-hex creature. If a mounted line hits a line of footmen, every horse would be in 2 enemies front hexes on average. If they moved 8 hexes and engaged they would most often come to a "full stop", which is a must if they are to exchange blows anyways. If every other footman in the first line went down (knock down will be common) from the riders' and the mounts' attacks, the mounted men would be able to charge on if they continued to move 8 hexes or more. But if there were a second line or too many enemies still standing they could push forward on top of an enemy with a shift (still counting as 3-hex because of speed from last turn), get trample for free and start to fight to push through and maybe next turn break thru. If they still didn't get free of pesky footmen, on the third turn they would stop counting as 3-hex creatures and be stuck in the melee. I wouldn't really see even the second version as a broken charge, more like a game mechanic to turn time into manageable chunks. And in reality if it only took 5 seconds extra for a charge to break through a line, it would be considered a total over run. I expect impaled horses, panicked horses, knights getting thrown off, footmen half trampled to death and footmen falling with broken spears in them in a big giant mess. And then the knights coming out through the other side pursuing the surviving footmen fleeing every which way. |
08-03-2018, 01:32 PM | #27 |
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Arizona
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08-03-2018, 02:39 PM | #28 | |
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Berkshire - UK
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I just had an idea for your figures issue that might work. How about drilling a few holes in the base, which line up with the different facings and positions possible on both hexes of your mount - Then mark the facing of your rider with a small peg or map pin (or similar) - It wouldn't detract from the look of the model much, and would move along with the figure, rather than being a separate marker. I may try to do this with one of my mounted figures over the weekend and photograph it to see if its viable. Like others - I'm guilty of using horses only as a means of getting from one place to another. |
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08-04-2018, 09:43 AM | #29 | |
Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: Berkshire - UK
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https://twitter.com/Caesar_Models/st...68292441628673 I have drilled 9 holes in the base to align with the different possible facings on each of the 2 riding hexes. - Then just place a peg in the hole to show where the rider is sat and which way he is facing. |
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10-10-2018, 09:02 AM | #30 | |
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Re: How do you all handle mounted combat?
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- paste some nice images of a horse onto a wooden block - get a horse mini encased in a clear substance. the result is a clear block with a horse in it. trophy shops will do this sort of thing. not sure how to DIY Also, put a chess Knight in the hex not occupied by the rider to denote the figure is mounted and show the facing of the horse. Will look a bit strange though when the rider is in-front of the "head" and the "head" is facing him :P EDIT2 If you are comfortable with modding your mounted figures, you could cut the heads off the riders. Drill tiny holes in the necks. Insert short pins/pegs and reattach the heads. Now they can swivel to show facing. Just ignore the stuff in the rules about being able to shift between the two hexes of a horse and know that you can attack into those adjacent hexes on the side of the horse you are facing. Last edited by platimus; 10-10-2018 at 07:14 PM. |
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