09-22-2017, 10:58 AM | #31 |
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Re: It would be nice to have some AD&D style demons and devils
So if there is no distinction between fallen angels and demons that were formed to be evil then couldn't you say there is no distinction between demons and undead? Or fairies or any monster? Or even any adversary? And why even have any description of monsters at all? Why not just have numerical stats? There is something in the dungeon with DR5, 20HP, reach C and does 1d6 damage from an attack at skill 18.
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09-22-2017, 11:14 AM | #32 | |
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Re: It would be nice to have some AD&D style demons and devils
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There's many different cultural interpretations of demons, plus plenty of ones to be made up, and disagreement on any particular premise is just and only that. What about supernatural creatures from India, China or Japan, which have entirely different cosmologies? Or the Greek underworld (Pluto, Cerebus), or struggles of Titans vs Olympians? Are Titans demons? Campaign 1 says "no", campaign 2 says "oh, yea ... ". |
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09-22-2017, 11:15 AM | #33 | ||
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In a game setting of mine "demons" are the offspring of escaped dream spirits of the moon goddess and the Shining Ones, rebel creations of the sun god (which are essentially "devils" in this kind of system but not called that). Quote:
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09-22-2017, 11:25 AM | #34 | |
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But D&D's Blood War assumption isn't making this: it just divides infernal beings by alignments. On the other hand, demons are evil creatures mainly from different orders of reality, and zombies are agglomerates of psychic and corporeal remnants from dead creatures. I tried to take that into account above.
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09-22-2017, 11:43 AM | #35 |
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Re: It would be nice to have some AD&D style demons and devils
I never said that demons and devils should follow the alignment system of AD&D (chaotic evil vs lawful evil). I was just saying that fallen angels and demons born evil would be an interesting distinction just as a lich and a zombie are both corporeal undead but have a distinction.
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09-22-2017, 11:46 AM | #36 |
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Re: It would be nice to have some AD&D style demons and devils
For me, I would have no problem with many different sorts of demons from different Hells. Actually I would much prefer it to just one Hell. The more variety of monsters the better for me.
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09-22-2017, 12:37 PM | #37 | ||
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Some posts ago you mentioned mythological sources, and part of my point is that they make no distinction between fallen angels becoming demons, and inborn demons (*). The divine spark is the same (but it can be entirely missing if you take dualism, or "maltheism", instead). Sometimes the corruption of the falling angels (an ontological change of state) is portrayed without any other birth, just like a man turning into a werewolf, but if you take into account broader perspectives with transmigration, angels becoming demons involve new & different demonic births. Of course, you say that a distinction like the one you're pointing at could be interesting, and it's your preference, which as you know, is ok for your role-playing games. But you want the GURPS DF sub-line or the DFRPG to assume it, which is a different thing. (*) If according to this or that culture they are called demons, asuras, rakshasas, titans, giants, etc., it makes no practical difference here. Even if many RPGs make entirely different creatures just from the different names: Sometimes intermediary spirits, like yakshas, yokai, certain ghosts, can be called demons or be covered with ambiguities, but at this fundamental level things are clear.
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09-22-2017, 01:15 PM | #38 | |
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A difference between a fallen angel and an inborn demon might be that the fallen angel has traits and abilities the the ruling gods have while the inborn demons might be more monstrous or beastial. |
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09-22-2017, 01:46 PM | #39 | ||
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For one, I very much prefer it to be more grounded into the dimensions of myth if it's possible.
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09-22-2017, 02:25 PM | #40 |
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Re: It would be nice to have some AD&D style demons and devils
I would think that a fallen angel would be aristocratic and care about order. They may be arrogant and vain and narcissistic as they would think of them selves as angels which are above the rest of creation. They may want to keep Divine law in place only they just want to oust the ruling gods and rule in their place.
Demons that just came into being may just want destruction and suffering. They may want to destroy Divine law and have survival of the strongest instead. They may just want to bring chaos into the world while fallen angels want to rule it with an iron fist. |
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