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Incidentally, that adventure might say, "It requires only the GURPS Basic Set, Third Edition," but it was really written for GURPS Second Edition. It's truly ancient.
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11-01-2010, 01:28 PM | #42 | |
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Of course, I usually exerted the "don't shoot that kid" instinct on those who had an appropriate Sense of Duty or some related background disadvantage (such as Flashbacks for a veteran of Bosnia who had seen too many young victims) rather than on those with Empathy, now that I think about it. Which I guess means I understood the intent of the game better than I realized.
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I have some doubts: Can i use IQ to detect lies (against IQ, Acting or Fast-Talk)? If so, what this means? I would like you explains IQ (for purposes of lie detection) exactly as you did with Empathy, Detect Lies and Body Language. And what means "primarily from voice stress and word choice" in Detect Lies definition? Why primarily? It has more than voice stress and word choice? If yes, so what more beyond those parameters? |
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04-24-2020, 04:33 AM | #45 |
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The presence of a mutual default with Body Language, even if a weak one, hints at visuals playing a role.
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04-25-2020, 06:58 AM | #47 | |
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i have asked. I'm not understanding. |
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04-25-2020, 07:36 AM | #48 |
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Well, this is a little bit more complex. I think that it is like a private debate (quick contest of IQ vs IQ) but one person are creating false statements (he is neither trying to feign emotions, body posture etc - in this case this would be Acting or IQ-5 - nor exploring mental triggers, elaborated emotion manipulation, ransoming his atention to prevent him to check the plausibility of the claim, and even using his body and face like Acting, but not caring about coerence with long term behavior (Acting) - which is Fast-Talk or IQ-5. And IQ covers reason, sanity, intuition, creativity, memory, perception etc, which is very suitable for this purpose (to create false statements). This is the reason why Basic Set consider IQ to lie (B187 on Detect Lies skill description). So, a think that IQ may be used for perceive the obvious or "plain sight" incongruencies... This is like using Per to acquire visual cues on a room, but more delicated and specific details not in "obvious plain sight" would require Carpentry for subtle details on woodworking in the room wood features, Mansory for stoneworking, etc... For lie detection i think this same principle could be applied. At least to perceive some incoerence, or "sense" some incongruent emotion (or even a sensation of being lied to or fooled), because intuition and perception are included on IQ, too. And i think that IQ may be used against someone who have used IQ for lie, in case of Acting and Fast-Talk (even at default), the detector need to use Detect Lies and the like - defaults too, of course... I have asked about this because on real life, anybody can perceive incongruencies and etc on a liar (in case of he is using IQ to lie - like a private debate, but not using real and consiatent facts or reasonably consistent, factful and/or logical arguments)...
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Where, too, the Body Language skill receives +3 from Empathy (unlike Kromm had said). I think that Empathy can be applied to Body Language since at the same time that you are feeling the subject emotions you are confirming/seeing the emotion being shown by his body/head/face. Yes, i think that Detect Lies is a skill that uses all cues, from all sources. And Fast-Talk, as it seems, is to lie just with speech (or text, or signed communication). You are not feigning with your body, face and head to add more veracity to your lie (in this case it would be Acting). This is why Body Language can't be beaten by Fast-Talk, just Acting, since it relies on visual cues coming from the subject. But i ask to me: Why Detect Lies uses all cues and if you sucessfully use Body Language you adds +3 to Detect Lies, like Empathy? My answer: because Detect Lies uses visual signs of the lie, and Body Language can gauge the feelings of the subject. This is why if you see a facial microexpression of disdain when the subject are talking about how much he is sad about the ransom of his his wife you have better chances of perceive that he may be lying to you. Same for a sustained and maybe asymmetrical microexpression of sadness (which is incongruent with a true and genuine expression of sadness - this is cientifically and empirical true). Ok, so i still want to know about my another doubts (those i wrote quoting NineDaysDead). Thanks for the answers, Vicky_Molokh. |
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