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02-23-2011, 05:13 AM | #62 | |
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There is a fairly direct correlation between the accumulated capacity for violence in cultures and the amount of violence that happens daily. The highest rates of murder, rape and assault took place in cultures where weapons of war were unknown and there were no armies, police, security forces or other trained wielders of violence. I'm not going to come out and say that this correlation suggests causation. But it is at the very least fairly good evidence against the belief that violence is caused by anything other than the innate human predilection towards being bastards.
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Just because the justification for deadly force is no longer present does not exclude a person from being handcuffed, wounded or otherwise. If I, as the arresting officer, know that handcuffing the suspect will cause him/her further harm, then I might be persuaded to just watch them until the ambulance arrives and it becomes somebody else's problem. But as I said before, if not handcuffing the suspect somehow compromises my safety, they get cuffed. Any police officer will tell you same thing, it's not worth dying over something as stupid as not handcuffing a suspect, especially one stupid enough to provoke the use of deadly force. Obviously I can only speak for American police, but I can't imagine a law enforcement agency anywhere that would allow the safety of suspect who provoked deadly force to take precedence over the safety of one of their officers.
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On the other hand, police officers are paid to assume certain risks. Their very purpose is to protect the citizenry. In this, they have a similar task as firefighters. Obviously, firefighters would be safer if they simply contained flames and didn't try to go into them to pull out people, especially people dumb enough to be caught in a fire. The thing is, public servants are not courts. They don't have any formal authority to decide when a citizen is so stupid that his life becomes worth less. Nor should they, in my opinion. In an emergency situation, police officers may act with deadly force to protect themselves and others. This does not mean that they are free to decide that a little extra risk to others is preferable to a little extra risk to themselves. Obviously, I'm aware how difficult it is to obtain adequate public servants. Most people will casually assume a risk on the part of others if it merely makes their jobs a little easier, let alone if it makes them substantially safer. None of that has any impact on the standards society can choose to impose nor the standards it should impose.
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02-23-2011, 08:29 AM | #67 | |
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02-23-2011, 08:42 AM | #68 | |
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02-23-2011, 08:57 AM | #69 | |
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In other words, a guy who is on the ground and not moving might turn out to be alive and able to turn around and shoot me in the face while I'm standing there waiting patiently for the paramedics to arrive. You treat all suspects as if they're alive and a threat until it's proven otherwise, especially ones that have just been shooting at you. |
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Back on-topic: I think it's very weird that we can read the same rules and come away with two different conclusions. I don't think there is any ambiguity at all. Perhaps it's time to ask Kromm or RPK? |
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