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Old 09-19-2018, 04:40 PM   #21
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Also, I'd be surprised if her education didn't include classical Graeco-Roman history and some kind of objets dart appreciation.
Apparently her education was extremely deficient, almost completely limited to a few languages, the constitutional history of the UK, and British constitutional theory (on which by 1953 she was highly expert). But on becoming queen she apparently found herself unable to carry on small talk on any subject except for dogs and horses. (She engaged a tutor and fixed the problem after her accession.) Also, in the late fifties or early sixties someone snarked that she had the world's best collection of Da Vincis, but no understanding of what they were.

As for wealth, don't forget that the Duke of Windsor had walked of with most of the Royal family's private fortune, and had emptied the accounts of the Duchy of Cornwall and the Duchy of Lancaster before he abdicated. He even made George VI liquidate his inheritance to buy Sandringham House and Balmoral Castle. It took the royal family a while to repair their fortunes.
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Old 09-20-2018, 10:59 AM   #22
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Pedantic note (sorry). She's queen of the United Kingdom, not of England, and in 1941 was a princess, not queen. Queen Elizabeth of England died in 1603, and there has been no king nor queen if England since 1707.
Actually, it's a valid point.

King Arthus is the King of England, but should he try to be king in 1945, he'd get locked up.

"Monarch of the United Kingdom" means something in the 20th century. "Monarch of England" in that same time period means you get laughed at. It's the difference between Status 7 (Head of State) and Social Stigma (Escapee From The Nut Hatch). Which is a good 50 points.

Little details like that matter.
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Old 09-20-2018, 06:52 PM   #23
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Actually, it's a valid point.

King Arthus is the King of England, but should he try to be king in 1945, he'd get locked up.

"Monarch of the United Kingdom" means something in the 20th century. "Monarch of England" in that same time period means you get laughed at. It's the difference between Status 7 (Head of State) and Social Stigma (Escapee From The Nut Hatch). Which is a good 50 points.

Little details like that matter.
There was never an Arthus who was king of all the "Tribe of the Fishhook" because the ENGLISH were the enemy of Arthur. Elizabeth's claim to being the queen of England comes from the fact that the House of Windsor was ratified by the Wittanagemot otherwise known after the Norman usurper as "Parliament". But the Plantagenets have a kinship legitimacy coming from the union of Henry I and Matilda. I am sure the Hanovers had some vague connection with the Plantagenets because Parliament would have had lawyers seeking out details after the Glorious Coup when they went king-recruiting. However there seems to be some break because I could not find it. I am sure the potential for loose ends made them want the closest foreign connection to the Plantagenets and thus the House of Wessex that they could get even if they had to split hairs and make legal camels go through needle eyes. In any case Arthur is not the King of England and Elizabeth has a better claim, though he may conceivably be held as King of the Britons. Little details like that also matter.

A fairer question is what would happen if Athelstane tried to be King of England in 1945. Or King of Britain as he seems to be the first King to have held the main British isle as tributary to England. Probably he would have been locked up to, though considering the time period, his peculiar talents might have come in handy a few years before. It is an interesting thought Athelstane coming back after conquering Odin worshiping pagans with as much a potential for civilization as English in their own time and finding more bloodthirsty and less practical Odin worshiping pagans to conquer. But Athelstane is likely to have been pleased that his descendants spread throughout the world and would have no reason to say more then, "Atta girl" to Lizzie.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:26 PM   #24
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I haven't read the whole thread, but shouldn't she get somekind of advantage based on the attitude of the British people to their Royal family. There are literally millions of people who'd kill or die for this woman. Tens of millions who, even when they called her "one of the little princesses," regarded her with the same love and loyalty they'd give a family member. Not all Brits care about the royals, but she has one hell of an ally group!
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:37 PM   #25
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Further thought. This woman has in essence been on stage since the 1930s and has made no major blunders of deportment. The idea of a Talent for being Royal is good but give her four levels! Also, in GURPS Savoir-Faire is the skill that covers manners and deportment.

Given the social landmines the woman always had to walk through, skill 18 or higher seems right.
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Old 09-20-2018, 07:54 PM   #26
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I haven't read the whole thread, but shouldn't she get somekind of advantage based on the attitude of the British people to their Royal family. There are literally millions of people who'd kill or die for this woman. Tens of millions who, even when they called her "one of the little princesses," regarded her with the same love and loyalty they'd give a family member. Not all Brits care about the royals, but she has one hell of an ally group!
A successful female warleader has a certain amount of charisma that is almost like a celebrity crush. Soldiers feel protective toward them like a sister or a lover. The effect is not quite the same with a male; someone can be devoted to Napoleon but only Napoleon's valet can feel protective toward him.

The fact that she had no concrete power actually reinforced this. Someone could look at Winnie and think that he ordered cities incinerated but not Lizzie. Lizzie had no actual power except "Heart is an awesome power". She could never ORDER anyone to kill or die for her and to a degree that was just the point.

One advantage that was not brought up was that she was cross cultural. A Rajput has no reason to care two bits about "England" but might revere an English monarch the way he reveres a home-grown prince.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:02 AM   #27
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I haven't read the whole thread, but shouldn't she get somekind of advantage based on the attitude of the British people to their Royal family.
It comes with some weird disadvantages, too. There are loads of things that would be extremely improper for her to do, and risks she's not allowed to take, far more so than other public figures. Trying to enumerate them would be hard, so I tend to call it a wash.
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Further thought. This woman has in essence been on stage since the 1930s and has made no major blunders of deportment. The idea of a Talent for being Royal is good but give her four levels!
She likely has that now, but these descriptions are for her more than 70 years ago, when she got extensive rehearsal and coaching for almost all public interactions.
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Old 09-21-2018, 03:42 AM   #28
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I haven't read the whole thread, but shouldn't she get somekind of advantage based on the attitude of the British people to their Royal family. There are literally millions of people who'd kill or die for this woman. Tens of millions who, even when they called her "one of the little princesses," regarded her with the same love and loyalty they'd give a family member. Not all Brits care about the royals, but she has one hell of an ally group!
I'd say that's just a function of her Status.
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Old 09-21-2018, 07:57 AM   #29
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I'd say that's just a function of her Status.
Status isn't love or reverence. Napoleon had status. The Brits, more in the past than now, but even now, are sentimental about their royals. It is different than mere status.
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She likely has that now, but these descriptions are for her more than 70 years ago, when she got an extensive rehearsal and coaching for almost all public interactions.
She has been on the public stage since the early 1930's when she would have been too young to go to school. She has had no Major lapses of public deportment in all that time. Sounds like multiple levels of talent to me.
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