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Old 02-08-2007, 04:21 AM   #21
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"Therefore they are stone-hard, stubborn, fast in friendship and enmity, and they suffer toil and hunger and hurt of body more hardily than all the other speaking peoples; and they live long, far beyond the span of Men."
I would say +1 more to HT for a net of +2, and 2 extra HP.

This will give them an average of 15 FP, 13 HP, and you need to inflict 7 or more in actual injury to do a major wound.

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I'd also add a level of Temperature Tolerance. It fits them nicely (it's a great advantage for metalworkers), and I recall that the Silmarillion mentions that the Dwarves were the only ones to stand up to Glaurung's fire in the Battle of Unumbered Tears, which would indicate that they were able to tolerate high temperatures in heavy armor.
Silmarillion also attributes this to their masks worn in battle. Turin Turambar (was it not?) the Black Blade (of Nargothrond?) also withstood Glaurung at some battle because he wore a Dwarven mask.

But temperature tolerance sound fitting anyway :)
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Old 02-08-2007, 07:51 AM   #22
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not to quibble too much, but are you saying that the typical human in Middle Earth is build on a 0-point template (no modifiers)
To be fair, there is really no such thing as 'typical human' when doing campaign applied comparisons. For a ME comparison, are we using a typical man of Dale, an Easterling, a Northerner? Each will have campaign applied mods that should be balanced or canceled out against those of other races, imo.

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Old 02-08-2007, 08:37 AM   #23
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I would say +1 more to HT for a net of +2, and 2 extra HP.

This will give them an average of 15 FP, 13 HP, and you need to inflict 7 or more in actual injury to do a major wound.
I see you have editionitis. ;) In forth ed. str is tied to HP and HT is tied to FP.
Unless this thread is assuming 3rd ed , then I will feel silly.

Now that I think about it I agree that the indomiable shouldn't have cosmic but the mind shield should.

Man a High Man ,like Strider and his cousins the Rangers, Racial templant would be high point too. At least as high as the Dwarven one.
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Old 02-08-2007, 08:58 AM   #24
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"suffer toil and hunger" This could just be seen as showing them having significantly higher HT scores say 12 - 14 instead of other advantages.

"stone-hard, hurt of body" The higher str score gives more HP which represents this to a degree. Though a DR of 1 couldn't hurt. Also High pain threshold could be argued as well.

Stubborn as a racial flaw seems good ,though maybe at a self control of -15.
Good point. A racial HT of 12 woult put them far above the other races as far as toil, hunger, and even resisting the effects of damage as they would stay conscience longer and avoid insta-death better. It would also simplify the template.

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EDIT: Dwarves should be Indomitable, but not with Cosmic. I'd reserve Cosmic for really powerful beings like the Maiar, who really have nothing to be afraid of. Tom Bombadil would be a good example. Gimli was quite afrad of the Balrog in Moria, for example; he was not immune to greed either.
Agreed. The secretive should be there in some capacity as well.

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To be fair, there is really no such thing as 'typical human' when doing campaign applied comparisons. For a ME comparison, are we using a typical man of Dale, an Easterling, a Northerner? Each will have campaign applied mods that should be balanced or canceled out against those of other races, imo.
I think the typical man of Dale, Easterling, Dunlending, Haradrim, or general Eriadorans, men of Rohan, or Gondor are built off zero point templates. The templates for the races of Men, though are still forthcoming. (Well, technically they are waiting my conversion from my 3rd ed notes).

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I see you have editionitis. ;) In forth ed. str is tied to HP and HT is tied to FP. Unless this thread is assuming 3rd ed , then I will feel silly. Now that I think about it I agree that the indomiable shouldn't have cosmic but the mind shield should.
My templates are for 4th edition. Cosmic Mid Shield sounds like a good idea.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:11 AM   #25
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I see you have editionitis. ;) In forth ed. str is tied to HP and HT is tied to FP.
Unless this thread is assuming 3rd ed , then I will feel silly.
No and no ;)

The second template states +1 ST, +1 HT, +3 FP. Together with my increase it gives us HT +2, +3 FP and ST +1, +2 HP equals 15 FP and 13 HP for an average Dwarf.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:29 AM   #26
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I think the typical man of Dale, Easterling, Dunlending, Haradrim, or general Eriadorans, men of Rohan, or Gondor are built off zero point templates. The templates for the races of Men, though are still forthcoming. (Well, technically they are waiting my conversion from my 3rd ed notes).
Have you done 1:st age Men from the three houses, or a typical Númenorean? I guess they would probably be up there among the elves in points.
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Old 02-08-2007, 09:58 AM   #27
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Have you done 1:st age Men from the three houses, or a typical Númenorean? I guess they would probably be up there among the elves in points.
No, I have not gotten around to doing anything outside the War of the Ring era as of yet. I do have a template for the Dúnedain I'll post later. The Númenoreans would be that plus some most likely. I did sketch out Black Númenoreans though. I want them to be a major antagonist in an upcoming campaign.
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Old 02-08-2007, 03:06 PM   #28
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I made the editionitis comment about this

I would say +1 more to HT for a net of +2, and 2 extra HP.

not the templant.
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Old 02-09-2007, 07:59 AM   #29
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I made the editionitis comment about this

I would say +1 more to HT for a net of +2, and 2 extra HP.

not the templant.
Maybe its ambiguously written, try this: +1 more to HT for a net of +2. AND on top of that 2 extra HP.
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Old 02-09-2007, 08:02 AM   #30
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I did sketch out Black Númenoreans though. I want them to be a major antagonist in an upcoming campaign.
How powerful did you make them? Is there any canonical material on how bad-assed they are supposed to be?
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