06-20-2019, 02:02 PM | #21 | |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
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However, suppose Shape Earth can't fuse stone together, but can do dovetail joints. Could an earth mage who doesn't realize the value of voussior wedges end up creating a wide ceiling by doing something like this? Basically you solve the problem of lintels not being thick enough by joining them together as you might in woodworking, then carving out that semicircular arch. Of course if you want a room with vertical walls, as opposed to being all dome (or vault), you'd need additional support for the lintels during construction. |
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06-20-2019, 05:56 PM | #22 | ||
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
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(Anthony pointed out applications for Find Weakness. Measurement is also very handy for construction and crafting. I'd like to reward the would-be mage-engineers for their additional investment in relevant knowledge. Magic's already too good at preempting skills as it is; the more you can keep them relevant to the mages, the better.) Last edited by Anaraxes; 06-20-2019 at 06:00 PM. |
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06-20-2019, 06:13 PM | #23 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
The point of the true arch is that it uses angled bricks that avoid a particular failure mode of flat bricks. The problem with a corbeled arch is that flat blocks can slide against one another; absent that, it also converts downward stress into stress along the perimeter.
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06-20-2019, 06:39 PM | #24 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
I mostly agree, but if the only reason you can't do something by mundane means is something like "that would require the stone to become temporarily ductile", I think you should be able to do the thing with Shape Earth. E.g. if you can make a metal chain, you can probably make a stone chain with Shape Earth, even if you don't have the skill to chisel a stone chain. I'd apply the same reasoning to stone dovetail joints.
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06-20-2019, 08:45 PM | #25 | |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
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That stone chain might not work so well given that stone lacks the properties of metal, though (say, tensile strength in this case). Once you drop the Shape spell, the material's back to normal. The mundane skills probably give you some insight into those potential pitfalls as well. For instance, those arches from another thread may not stand up well if they aren't naturally sound, dirt and soil have their natural angle of repose, and so on. |
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06-21-2019, 01:02 PM | #26 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
In a conventional Fantasy setting (which is generally TL3 or less) Shape Earth and Earth to Stone are going to be used in building projects. The roads will be vastly better. Canals will be commonplace. City fortifications will be far more extensive. Bridges (the lack of which was a major economic issue) will be everywhere.
The economy will quickly improve.
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06-21-2019, 01:19 PM | #27 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
Yes on bridges. A mage with Shape Stone and a reasonable diving sklll can do work on bridge foundations that would take weeks with cofferdams and pumping water out in seconds. That would be a major change.
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06-21-2019, 03:46 PM | #28 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
Plus building small bridges on smaller roads. A good firm bridge on a back road becomes a pragmatic reality. With Earth to Stone added cities get paved streets and functional gutters.
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06-21-2019, 06:36 PM | #29 |
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Re: [Magic] Using Shape Earth and Earth to Stone in construction
They make precast concrete arches so having separate pieces does not seem needed.
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