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Old 03-25-2019, 09:44 PM   #11
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Woven basalt fabric is a real thing, and is now used instead of asbestos in most brake pads and other places.
Interesting... I think it would fall somewhere between rigid and flexible armor, but I'm not sure exactly where (for blunt trauma purposes). However it would edge out steel in strength and lightness.

Not sure it's ease of use though, and it would require magic at the lower tech levels.
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Old 03-26-2019, 02:29 AM   #12
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So those gambesons being sold as "padded jacket class" are all just the inner padding gurps includes in the armor weights or at best padded cloth (dr 1*)? That's a bummer...
Thanks for dispeling my misunderstanding.
The very best might count as DR 0 or 1 (cut)/0 Ordinary Clothing or DR 1* Padded Cloth. Most would count as Cheap and have several quirks and flaws which historical clothing did not: the ones for combat sports tend to be too bulky for plate armour to fit properly above them, its common for them to have a gap at the armpit or be too tight about the hips and thighs so they gap between the legs when the wearer walks ...
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Old 03-26-2019, 08:24 AM   #13
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Arming garments are not much use unless they are custom-tailored to properly fit the wearer. You can't get one "off the shelf". The whole point of underpadding was to stop chafing, to improve the fit of the armour, and to provide a foundation to which the armour can be attached. They were never intended to provide additional protection.
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Old 03-26-2019, 01:20 PM   #14
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Interesting... I think it would fall somewhere between rigid and flexible armor, but I'm not sure exactly where (for blunt trauma purposes). However it would edge out steel in strength and lightness.

Not sure it's ease of use though, and it would require magic at the lower tech levels.

Definitely flexible, unless it's one of those made stiff enough to be solid, and that would generally be determined by whether you have many quilted layers or stuffed quilting. Think of making armour out of sail canvas rather than clothing linen, and rather rougher on sword edges.

And if you have dwarves you've either got magic or sufficient tech.
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Old 03-26-2019, 02:33 PM   #15
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And if you have dwarves you've either got magic or sufficient tech.
Depends what 'dwarves' means in context. Doesn't take magic or advanced tech to have short people about, or even to have a separate related species (it's just ahistorical).
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:08 PM   #16
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Depends what 'dwarves' means in context. Doesn't take magic or advanced tech to have short people about, or even to have a separate related species (it's just ahistorical).

Stereotype fantasy/fantasy-style gearhead dwarves. 'Just short people' would mean less cloth required.

But you can make basalt cloth with early-Victorian-era technology, if you know how.
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:30 PM   #17
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But you can make basalt cloth with early-Victorian-era technology, if you know how.
According to wiki, "The manufacture of basalt fiber requires the melting of the crushed and washed basalt rock at about 1,500 C (2,730 F). The molten rock is then extruded through small nozzles to produce continuous filaments of basalt fiber." That is not Victorian-era tech, it's not really practical much before when it was actually first attempted (1923).
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Old 03-26-2019, 03:59 PM   #18
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According to wiki, "The manufacture of basalt fiber requires the melting of the crushed and washed basalt rock at about 1,500 C (2,730 F). The molten rock is then extruded through small nozzles to produce continuous filaments of basalt fiber." That is not Victorian-era tech, it's not really practical much before when it was actually first attempted (1923).

Practical=/=possible. Victorians could get to 1,500 C. If you've got the oxygen for a Bessemer Furnace you can do it.

It's what you would see in a Steampunk or Steampunk/Fantasy game, not a historical one.
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Rock fabric would probably be similar to the real world version using serpentine or asbestos fibers.
Dwarves are naturally immune to mineral induced cancer, right?
Are you telling me Dwarves wears socks made of rocks?
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Old 03-26-2019, 04:12 PM   #20
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10 - 20 micron extrusion of material at 1500C?
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