03-04-2018, 09:09 AM | #1 |
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Using a bow above your ST
Tiny rule change in DFRPG, instead of being completely unable to use bows above your ST, you now have the same skill penalty and FP cost equal to the difference as for other weapons. (DFA98)
What didn't change is that you still use the weapon's rated ST to calculate range and damage. Now, I'd like to triple-check before I break scouts all over again (as if they need it!): If a scout with Weapon Master (bow) uses a ST19 longbow, they get 2d+5 imp damage. They will have a skill penalty of -6 (assuming Strongbow perk) or less*, and pay 6 FP (or less*) after each fight. Using fine arrows, they'll do a sweet 2d+6 imp or cut. Am I missing any obvious reasons why this is completely illegal? *I mean less if they increase ST somehow.
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03-04-2018, 10:32 AM | #2 |
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
Amazingly, it seems right. Personally I'd say it doesn't make sense and would use the lower of rated ST and user's ST in a realistic game… but this game isn't supposed to be realistic, so I guess -2 to skill for +1 to damage if a specific condition is met is acceptable.
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03-04-2018, 10:58 AM | #3 |
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
Now that you mention it, 2 skill for 1 damage seems to be the base exchange rate in DFRPG*, such as All-Out Attack choosing +2 damage or +4 skill. With the added FP cost, maybe it’s not that insane. It’s just the combination of the 2d breakpoint with Weapon Master that makes it seem so crazy, but that actually might be an Weapon Master issue more than a bow issue...
Thanks for the perspective! *GURPS has even more examples of 2 skill for 1 damage.
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03-04-2018, 12:20 PM | #4 | |||
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
They bought themselves up to ST 12 though yes? (Strongbow is +2, Elven Bow is +2...)
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ST 19 is 2d-1 thr, Longbow is thr +2, Weapon Master is +2 per die... I'm seeing 2d+5*. * Am I missing a bonus somewhere? My ST 17 Half Ogre Scout wants to know... ;) And thanks for the nod to this... he'll have to pick up a ST 27 Elven Bow now... /twothumbsup Quote:
* Big fat sweet bonuses are sort of in the wheelhouse of the genre. Quote:
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03-04-2018, 12:43 PM | #5 |
Join Date: Sep 2004
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
A manual implementation of Strongbow in GCS, which became redundant when I had to override the weapon’s damage. I fixed the numbers, thanks for pointing out my mistake.
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03-04-2018, 01:54 PM | #6 |
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
No worries... and like I said "Thanks for pointing this out!" it's yet another difference between DFRPG and regular GURPS that I hadn't caught on to!
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03-04-2018, 06:02 PM | #7 |
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
I noticed another related difference between GURPS and Dungeon Fantasy (RPG).
According to Adventurers (pg. 98) bows are now also purchased with a rated ST (in addition to crossbows and prodds Basic Set, pg. 270). I was curious if I missed the memo and if bows required a rated ST before the DFRPG? Does anyone have any insight into this apparent change? |
03-04-2018, 07:19 PM | #8 | |
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
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That has caused some interesting conversations over the years. |
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03-04-2018, 08:53 PM | #9 |
Join Date: Feb 2009
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
Hey thanks Dalzig.
It must have been 3rd printing of Characters as I own the 2nd printing. |
03-04-2018, 10:14 PM | #10 |
Join Date: Feb 2009
Location: Central Texas, north of Austin
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Re: Using a bow above your ST
Oh, cool.
I just checked my copy of Low-Tech and the ST rating for bows was included there on pg. 74, 75. That was a good, official place to include such a change. |
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