Rapid Fire bonus and Rcl - Page 16

Erling · 09-01-2016, 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by apoc527

Very good point. I would think that the easiest way to handle this is note that some weapons are uncontrollable and apply a -1 or -2 (at most) penalty to attacks at RoF 5+. I wouldn't play around with Rcl or anything like that, and I wouldn't "cap" the RoF bonus. A straight penalty for uncontrollable and a bonus for "highly" controllable should be about it.

That's what I suggested in post #1, with the difference that "uncontrollable" was supposed to mean "Rcl 3+" so that you don't need to remember "Uncontrollable" as a special standalone feature of the weapon.

apoc527 · 09-01-2016, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Erling

That's what I suggested in post #1, with the difference that "uncontrollable" was supposed to mean "Rcl 3+" so that you don't need to remember "Uncontrollable" as a special standalone feature of the weapon.

Except that's what I think we spent the last 6 pages disagreeing with. I don't think that Rcl 3+ *means* "uncontrollable." I think it means it has a higher mechanical recoil due to a combination of factors.

An example of something that would be "uncontrollable" might be a BAR with its barrel sawed off or a 5.56mm "machine pistol."

sir_pudding · 09-01-2016, 04:17 PM

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Originally Posted by apoc527

Actually, I think the trend towards burst limiters has reversed. It seems like more military rifles are Safe-Semi-Full without any fancy 2- and 3-round burst options. Can someone confirm?

As of 2010, my M4 had Safe-Fire-Burst. The only fully automatic weapons we had were the MGs and the DM rifle.

Ulzgoroth · 09-01-2016, 07:06 PM

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Originally Posted by apoc527

An example of something that would be "uncontrollable" might be a BAR with its barrel sawed off or a 5.56mm "machine pistol."

The former might be Rcl 3 on the basis of weight reduction, but also might well be Rcl 2, same as an un-modded BAR. (A stockless BAR is Rcl 3.) The latter I can't really guess at.

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding

As of 2010, my M4 had Safe-Fire-Burst. The only fully automatic weapons we had were the MGs and the DM rifle.

Oh interesting, the DM (M14?) rifle had full-auto enabled? Was that ever intended to be used? (Semi-related curiousity.)

sir_pudding · 09-01-2016, 09:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Ulzgoroth

Oh interesting, the DM (M14?) rifle had full-auto enabled? Was that ever intended to be used? (Semi-related curiousity.)

It was an M39 and I have no idea, I was a pizza box for life, and about as far away from being a designated marksman as it is possible to be and still be a grunt, I was mostly really good at using trigonometry to kill people (a subject that GURPS is especially confused on with my job basically not having a skill despite it being really essential, which subject we have discussed in the past).

Christopher R. Rice · 09-01-2016, 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sir_pudding

It was an M39 and I have no idea, I was a pizza box for life, and about as far away from being a designated marksman as it is possible to be and still be a grunt, I was mostly really good at using triggernometry to kill people (a subject that GURPS is especially confused on with my job basically not having a skill despite it being really essential, which subject we have discussed in the past).

There, fixed that for you, Cole. :-)